Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy.

Willow ,'Never Leave Me'


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CaBil - May 29, 2004 8:33:54 pm PDT #3294 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Well, remember that this episode is the last episode with this team. Starting next season, they are planning to have a rotating cast of characters...


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 8:35:26 pm PDT #3295 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

this episode is the last episode with this team

But you're talking characters, right? I was assuming Michele meant creative team.

Now I have to see if I can work out why I thought Batman Beyond wasn't in continuity. Hmm.


Holli - May 29, 2004 8:35:49 pm PDT #3296 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

Starting next season, they are planning to have a rotating cast of characters.

Yeah, they showed a preview of it over the credits for "Starcrossed." I'm ambivalent-- on the one hand, less character development. On the other, Green Arrow! Yay!

These are the dilemmas of a fangirl.


CaBil - May 29, 2004 8:41:12 pm PDT #3297 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

And Atom, Firestorm, LSH, Fate, Zatanna, the New Gods and lots, lots more...

Dini is a lot less involved in the new season...


Holli - May 29, 2004 8:46:27 pm PDT #3298 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

And Atom, Firestorm, LSH, Fate, Zatanna, the New Gods

Well, hey, with that list, that's like fifty-fifty odds of not sucking!

Wait, there are ninety-seven thousand people in the goddamn Legion. They're worse than the Potentials. There goes next season.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 8:47:15 pm PDT #3299 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The New Gods are also cheesy. In fact, who off that list do you like?

I'm curious to see how Firestorm and Flash get along.


CaBil - May 29, 2004 8:51:22 pm PDT #3300 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

They will focus on different characters every episode, Holli. The LSH will only be around for one episode.

Atom, Firestorm and Zatanna all can be handled well. In fact, Warren Ellis is writing the Atom episode, which gives it great cred. Dini is supposedly writing a Zatanna episode, and considering his obvious love of the character, and the way he handled her in the comics, also shows that it has promise.


Holli - May 29, 2004 8:52:51 pm PDT #3301 of 10000
an overblown libretto and a sumptuous score/ could never contain the contradictions I adore

In fact, who off that list do you like?

Atom, Firestorm, and Zatanna. But I'm basing that off my limited exposure to JLA, the bits of which I read (between 70 and 80 or thereabouts) had a lot of them.


§ ita § - May 29, 2004 8:54:47 pm PDT #3302 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have no clear memory of Atom. Firestorm I liked, but he was a bit whiny. Zatanna I just never got. At least Black Canary hit people.

I don't know if we'll have time for any character development:

"The heroes of the Justice League return in August with a new series, Justice League Unlimited, which incorporates a bold new look and a much larger scope. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern continue to lead the universe's most powerful superheroes in an effort to stop criminal plots and alien threats that endanger the universe. Now, in Justice League Unlimited, they are joined by an even greater collection of heroes, some of whom are well-known, like Supergirl, Green Arrow and the Atom, as well as some that are less familiar, like Booster Gold, Hawk & Dove, Elongated Man, The Question, Mister Miracle, Big Barda and Zatanna. Each half-hour will tell a power-packed story, combining some of the original heroes with new ones as they band together to battle alien invasions, powerful sorcerers, vast shadowy conspiracies and even ancient gods."

In addition to the characters mentioned above, other heroes to appear on the show will include Black Canary, Red Tornado and Firestorm.

From here.


CaBil - May 29, 2004 8:57:37 pm PDT #3303 of 10000
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Atom could shrink down to the quantum level and was a scientist...