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§ ita § - May 11, 2004 8:27:08 am PDT #2575 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. Did not know about that second meaning.

I mean, I did know that Aquaman could do things the other Leaguers couldn't, what with the Aqua- and all. But I do wonder about aliens, et al. Do other Tamaranians just not care about heroics? Or Earth? That sort of thing.


§ ita § - May 11, 2004 8:28:01 am PDT #2576 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Certainly.

Then why are the X-Men a grey area (no pun intended) if most of their members are superheroes?


Miracleman - May 11, 2004 8:29:44 am PDT #2577 of 10000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Do other Tamaranians just not care about heroics? Or Earth? That sort of thing.

Good question. I'm not sure why Starfire would want to fly around and save people. But she does.

One of the (many and conflicting) Hawkman origins had Hawkie as a Thanagarian cop who came to Earth as a spy or something and fell in love with Earth and humanity and vowed to blah blah hero blah blah cookies.


Thomash - May 11, 2004 8:31:02 am PDT #2578 of 10000
I have a plan.

Then why are the X-Men a grey area (no pun intended) if most of their members are superheroes?

Perhaps it's public perception (in their comic world) putting them in the role of outsider (mutant) and therefore not to be trusted.

I'm not sure why Starfire would want to fly around and save people.

When in Rome...

She's hanging out with the people/beings who are the closest thing to her peers on Earth. Maybe she's just trying to fit in?


Frankenbuddha - May 11, 2004 8:31:32 am PDT #2579 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Hellboy? Maybe, maybe not. He's kind of more of a good-natured paranormal cop. He's a good guy, and heroic, certainly, but at the end of the day, it's mostly just a job.

I think the tell for Hellboy is that he LIKES to go it alone. At least he did in the movie. Also, with the above statement I'm still not seeing a whole lot of difference from Wolvie.


victor infante - May 11, 2004 8:32:07 am PDT #2580 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Not as big an asshat, certainly. Namor's a prick; Aquaman's only a tool.

Hey! No dissing on Aquaman!

Then why are the X-Men a grey area (no pun intended) if most of their members are superheroes?

Good question, and one I may well be prepared to eat crow on.

I think, looking at the X-Men, it's an organization that was built to do several things--be a school, mutant rights activists, etc.--that happens to be filled with super-heroes. It wasn't what they were really intended to be, but it happened anyway.

Does that make sense?


§ ita § - May 11, 2004 8:32:56 am PDT #2581 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Perhaps it's public perception (in their comic world) putting them in the role of outsider (mutant) and therefore not to be trusted.

What's the current public perception of Batman? Crazy vigilante, or hero making the streets safe?

I know Marvel bet the house (and won) on "the excluded saving the majority," but I remember even the Titans getting slagged as aliens and kooks.


Thomash - May 11, 2004 8:35:06 am PDT #2582 of 10000
I have a plan.

What's the current public perception of Batman? Crazy vigilante, or hero making the streets safe?

Depends on the comic title, but I believe all the above. And some urban legend thrown in too.


victor infante - May 11, 2004 8:35:39 am PDT #2583 of 10000
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

What's the current public perception of Batman? Crazy vigilante, or hero making the streets safe?

He's an urban myth. One who's been on TV, but people don't believe in him. No, I don't get it either.

Starfire was trained as a warrior, and is somewhat more powerful than most Tamaranians, because she's a warrior princess type, y'know. She was originally stuck on Earth escaping enslavement, and sort of fell in with the Titans.


§ ita § - May 11, 2004 8:38:57 am PDT #2584 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think the tell for Hellboy is that he LIKES to go it alone

But so does Batman, in theory. There are a lot of solo heroes.

Also, with the above statement I'm still not seeing a whole lot of difference from Wolvie.

Wolverine is more likely to use lethal force when not actually warranted, more likely to have a huge ideological divide between himself and his compatriots (other definition) and the guy giving the orders. Wolverine's worked the underworld.

I think, looking at the X-Men, it's an organization that was built to do several things--be a school, mutant rights activists, etc.--that happens to be filled with super-heroes.

I'd say this applies very strongly to Ultimate X-Men, but I cast my mind back to the first reboot of the X-Men, and although it was a school, it was a school for superheroes. New Mutants was a school school that had superpowered kids in it. Aside from Rogue (who was a failure), it seemed to be more like vocational training and less like teaching.

Starfire was trained as a warrior, and is somewhat more powerful than most Tamaranians, because she's a warrior princess type, y'know.

Yes, and there's the whole slavery torment thing too. But I'm just grabbing at a highly superpowered race, most of whom are content to do whatever, and not be a hero -- with great power, no exceptional responsibility. She's not even Batman level above the rest of her people. Would Supes choose to be here if Krypton was whole? Would he be saving people there?