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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Jon B. - Apr 29, 2004 5:09:38 pm PDT #2193 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

RE: the end of TotV -- I'm certain someone here called that Edna was Giles' grandmother. Whoever that was -- Good on ya!


Jeff Mejia - Apr 29, 2004 7:23:11 pm PDT #2194 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

It was me! I just picked it up today (the books were delayed at my store), and I think the neighbors may have been startled by the Shout of Geek Joy when I read the issue. Sure put me in a good mood.

Seekrit message to Plei concerning Batgirl and BOP current continuity: I imagine Batgirl #51 is still before the Birds of Prey storyline, although there is really no hard evidence for it. I think the main reason for the continuity warnings was to make sure the BOP storyline didn't have to reflect whether Batgirls was on the outs with Batman or not.


esse - Apr 29, 2004 7:29:40 pm PDT #2195 of 10000
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Are there only 5 Tales of the Vampires?


P.M. Marc - Apr 29, 2004 7:59:12 pm PDT #2196 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Jeff, my brain exploded today as I tried to sort out timing while I was stuck in traffic. I mean, I know that the Batgirl Soul storyline takes place after Nightwing 87, because Babs mentions the break-up, leading to Cass whomping on Dick. But, we're up to what? Nightwing 92? and not much time has passed *there*, because they've just buried the dead from the apartment explosion, which took place shortly after the circus fire and corresponding really bad idea post-split comfort sex, but it seems a bunch has passed in BoP.

Wait. Which issue of BoP does Dinah learn about the split? Is that 62?

Argh! I should stop trying to sort this out. It's comics. Time moves differently in comics.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 29, 2004 8:11:33 pm PDT #2197 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Argh! I should stop trying to sort this out. It's comics. Time moves differently in comics.

Yes, the continuity of most comics makes it look like Chris Carter actually had a plan all along. IJS. I mean, my experience is a bit out of date, but I can't believe it's gotten any better.


Gris - Apr 30, 2004 1:33:55 am PDT #2198 of 10000
Hey. New board.

Sam Loeb sure interviews well for a fifteen-year-old.


Michele T. - Apr 30, 2004 3:51:50 am PDT #2199 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

Yeah -- I even think in one of those interviews, Devin Grayson talks about the fact that they don't really sync up the timeline between series. She had one nice line about "well, Dick was eight in the 1940s and he's only in his mid to late 20s now, so obviously time moves differently for him..."

I mean, for example, The Nightwing of NW 92 is not going to be zipping over to the Batcave in Robin 125 to worry about Tim Drake's dad when he's dealing with Blockbuster trying to destroy his life in Bludhaven.

Some major events, like the Dick/Babs breakup, do ripple across the series, but if they spent the time it would take to develop a coherent cross-book timeline, I don't know that they'd have time to actually write the books.


Jeff Mejia - Apr 30, 2004 3:53:54 am PDT #2200 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Argh! I should stop trying to sort this out. It's comics. Time moves differently in comics.

Especially since DC has gone the "continuity? what continuity?" route these days. There aren't strict timelines between titles, instead events kind of "leak out" from one title and the other titles slowly acknowledge what happened. [Edit: X-post with Michele T.]

Some events are recognized faster than others. The downfall of President Luthor seemed to be picked up quickly in the DC Universe, but Tim's situation hasn't been seen to be affecting even the Bat-titles yet (outside his own and one mention in Teen Titans).


sumi - Apr 30, 2004 4:09:23 am PDT #2201 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

Question -- what number is the Robin that introduces the new Robin? Is it out now?

And have any of you seen that Catwoman collection? Is it good?


Jeff Mejia - Apr 30, 2004 4:26:14 am PDT #2202 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Question -- what number is the Robin that introduces the new Robin? Is it out now?

Apparently, issues #126 (solicited for May 19) and #127 (solicited for June 23) will deal with this.

And have any of you seen that Catwoman collection? Is it good?

Which collection are you talking about? The current run of Catwoman, written by Ed Brubaker, is top-notch (but there has been an unfortunate change in the art team with issue #25 that robs the title of some of its character).