now I want to see/write Connor/Robin slash.

I downloaded the first 2 seasons of Batman Beyond (I'm 4 episodes into season 2) and have noticed one thing about the show. While Batman never kills anyone directly, a very high number of the villains on the show seem to fall prey to explosions, collapsing buildings and plummeting vehicles, usually immediately after Batman has escaped those locations. It's an odd break from the original B:tAS where Batman goes out of his way to try and avoid even incidental deaths. (Granted Terry and Bruce are two different people, but it seems odd that Terry is more of the one to just shrug and say "Whoops" while the big bad of the episode goes up in a giant fireball.)

Terry's also a big whiner, with too much unwarranted angst, and who (IMO) was never quite of the caliber necessary to wear the cowl.

I think Bruce accepted him because it was all he had to work with.

(And I say this as someone who watched pretty much the entire series first run, and liked it.... I've just always wanted to smack McGuinness upside the head, for shits and giggles.)

I don't know. I mean, he's 17 and just lost his dad. There's going to be some angst issues and some whining about the lack of a social life. I'd have been disappointed if he was just mini-Bruce. And really his whining is nothing compared to, say, Dawn.

And Bruce is a pretty capable guy. Once he realized he could handle someone else wearing the cowl, I'm sure he could have easily found someone other than Terry to wear it if he wanted to.

That said, Terry's griping rights are kind of limited since he chose to keep being Batman. Bruce was hardly forcing him. But I seem to recall (I've seen scattered episodes here and there, just not the whole run in order) he eventually cuts back on the whining.

I think what always made me want to smack Terry was that he somehow didn't seem to get it (although that too started to change a little as the series progressed). His tragedy wasn't anywhere near as bad as Bruce's (he still has a living, loving brother and mother), and yet he somehow managed to be much more sulky and insolent about it.

Though this resulted in Bruce shifting back and forth between being amused by Terry's dense sullenness, and mildly irritated by it. In some ways, I think Terry was similiar to Jason Todd, though Terry is better adjusted.

I think that's really what I found smackworthy about Terry - he never quite got it that, despite dressing up liike a flying rat and trying to stop crime through fisticuffs, he was actually pretty well-adjusted for BatFam peeps. Hell, McGuinness is downright normal. That's why he never quite pinged me as being worthy to wear the cowl. Normally you have to be pretty messed up to join the Bat Squad.

Well, Bruce also went years after his parents' deaths before becoming Batman. Terry became Batman (or at least tried to) within days of his father's death. Bruce had a long time to first reach his decision and secondly put himself in a situation where he could act on it. Terry just kind of jumped headfirst into the whole thing and didn't really examine what it meant until he was in the middle of it.

Normally you have to be pretty messed up to join the Bat Squad.

Not familiar with the comic continuity, what made Barbara Gordon decide to become Batgirl? Or more specifically, in what way was she damaged?

Not familiar with the comic continuity, what made Barbara Gordon decide to become Batgirl? Or more specifically, in what way was she damaged?

Pre-Oracle Babs wasn't especially damaged so much as frustrated, smart, and stubborn. She became Batgirl by accident, for the most part.

Not familiar with the comic continuity, what made Barbara Gordon decide to become Batgirl? Or more specifically, in what way was she damaged?

BWAH! It's so funny you ask this, because Thomash just posed this same question to me when I relayed this conversation to him.

Babs is, admittedly considerably better adjusted than the rest of them, save for the whole she's doing it just because she wants to part. That's it's own particular brand of nuts - yes, Bruce is a driven and fractured personality (refering to "when he used to be Bruce Wayne...), but I can see where dressing up as a bat and beating the shit out of criminals is sort of a healthy response to his experiences (sort of). Doing all that because it seemed like a good idea at the time? That's just whack, yo.

Barbara is still sane in a way Tim Drake (Robin III, who, like Barbara, just wanted the job) is not, however. I'm not exactly sure how to express why at the moment. I'll have to think on it for a while.