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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


Jeff Mejia - Nov 27, 2002 12:34:36 pm PST #147 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Back from the comic store.

Buffy #51 was not an abomination. Not the greatest book ever, but I didn't think it was that bad. In fact, there were some sequences that I liked quite a bit. I do have some objections to some of the directions they went, but overall it reminded me of the "False Memories" arc rather than the eye-gouging aspects of the recent run. So take that for what it's worth. I will try to give a full review on Sunday, if anybody is interested.

My recommendation of Fray was based on a Jossverse way of entering comics. Like I said, that was what got me back into them. Of course, Sandman should be on anyone's must read list. Lucifer is a fine follow-up to that series. Currently, the top periodicals that I would recommend to anyone interested in literate comics would be Promethea, League of Extraordinary Gentelemen, Fables, and Y - The Last Man.

I think Promethea is in a league of its own (no pun intended), but it can be some tough going in points. Alan Moore's genius can sometimes overwhelm.


Ms. Havisham - Nov 27, 2002 1:30:05 pm PST #148 of 10000
And we will call it... "This Land."

For people who've already read those books, the Lucifer spinoff is really very good as well.

Agreed. And rather surprising, given how disappointing House of Secrets and some of the other spinoffs were.


Steph L. - Nov 27, 2002 1:49:04 pm PST #149 of 10000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Again I say V for Vendetta. Also the Marvels TPB. A re-telling of all the Marvel Comics characters' stories from an outsider's POV. Good stuff.


Michele T. - Nov 27, 2002 1:51:03 pm PST #150 of 10000
with a gleam in my eye, and an almost airtight alibi

And rather surprising, given how disappointing House of Secrets and some of the other spinoffs were.

Gaiman says in his introduction to the first Lucifer TPB that whenever anyone asked him which character from Sandman he thought would make for a good spinoff, he always said "Lucifer," and they always said "ahahaha, very clever," and gone on. He was, of course, quite happy about being proven right.


Ms. Havisham - Nov 27, 2002 2:08:55 pm PST #151 of 10000
And we will call it... "This Land."

He was, of course, quite happy about being proven right.

snerk.

Listen to the master, little grasshoppers...


Jeff Mejia - Nov 27, 2002 2:09:38 pm PST #152 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

I remember walking into my comic book shop a couple of years ago, when I was just starting to get into the habit, and seeing these posters for Lucifer. The posters talked about how well reviewed the series was. At the time, I hadn't read Sandman, so I didn't make any connection. I just thought it strange that the word LUCIFER would be so prominantly displayed (this being the South and all).

I am now reading it on a monthly basis and trying to find cheap back issues to get up to speed. I really enjoy the intricate plotting, so different than most mainstream fare these days.


thessaly - Nov 28, 2002 2:51:50 pm PST #153 of 10000
"...and that calls for some hard-hitting, potentially violent SCIENCE!"

In my attempts to catch up on posts, I now have no idea who the comics recommendations are for, but here's my two cents:

I agree with all the recommendations for Sandman - or heck, anything by Gaiman - Stardust, Violent Cases, Black Orchid, Signal to Noise. t /fangurl I'm not so big on the spin-offs. Lucifer has moments, and the new Hunter series is ok. In general, I'll skim most of the Vertigo titles, but I haven't been in love with much of their new stuff.

I'll also second Alan Moore - I'm a big Promethea fan and "Watchmen" and "V for Vendetta" were some of the comics that convinced me that comics could be a literate, adult art form.

If you're looking for other good 'adult' comics, I also recommend "The Tale of One Bad Rat" by Brian Talbot, Eddie Campbell's "Bacchus" books, "Arkham Asylum" by Grant Morrison & painted by Dave McKean. Also, Mike Mignola's "Hellboy" series is a lot of fun. Think Lovecraft with a large dose of sarcasm. I loved Mignola's one-off "The Amazing Screw-On Head", but it's a bit surreal so YMMV (Your Mignola May Vary). I'll also pick up durn near anything painted by Jon J. Muth (Moonshadow, Mystery Play).

I used to love Cerebus, but now I'm holding on through sheer stubborness so I can see the end, already, and trade in all my 'phone book' collections. Dave Sim is occasionally brilliant and I love his artwork, but he is a misogynist prat I wouldn't want to have over for dinner.

Other recommendations: David Mack's "Kabuki" series and "Scud, Disposable Assassin". Scud is only available in trade paperbacks, but it was funny while it lasted and comes with actor/soundtrack suggestions.

off to the large pile of posting,

Lea


P.M. Marc - Nov 28, 2002 2:54:03 pm PST #154 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I used to love Cerebus, but now I'm holding on through sheer stubborness so I can see the end, already, and trade in all my 'phone book' collections. Dave Sim is occasionally brilliant and I love his artwork, but he is a misogynist prat I wouldn't want to have over for dinner.

You know, this is the second time I've heard that this month...


thessaly - Nov 28, 2002 2:55:31 pm PST #155 of 10000
"...and that calls for some hard-hitting, potentially violent SCIENCE!"

You know, this is the second time I've heard that this month...

wow. I thought I was the only female who actually owned a complete Cerebus set.


P.M. Marc - Nov 28, 2002 3:01:43 pm PST #156 of 10000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

wow. I thought I was the only female who actually owned a complete Cerebus set.

One of my best friends (male) and I were discussing it. I don't own one, because, well... I can just read his, and I only buy things I plan on re-reading (Fray, Tales, etc.), but this is almost word-for-word what he said.