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Discussion of Buffy and Angel comics, books, and more. Please don't get into spoilery details in the first week of release.


DXMachina - Jan 15, 2004 6:20:11 pm PST #1371 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Actually, the mystery character that showed up in this issue? The way he showed up was the exact same way that the character appeared in the early issues of the character's own series. Admittedly, that origin had been left behind back in the mid80s, possibly even sooner but since Neil said he was using 60s characters, using that character's original origin makes sense.

Very true. I didn't have a problem with that at all. What I did have a problem with was the Templars having the stick in the first place.


Anne W. - Jan 16, 2004 3:28:48 am PST #1372 of 10000
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

DX, I'm hoping that the problematic issue will somehow be explained in the next two issues.

Personally, I wasn't too bugged by it, since the Templars are the Area 51 of European History. Got a conspiracy? Suspect a major secret? Looking for hidden technology, weapons, or gadgets? Blame it on them.


DXMachina - Jan 18, 2004 3:27:24 pm PST #1373 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Okay, Duck Dodgers as a Green Lantern? Way better than I expected.


Betsy HP - Jan 18, 2004 3:43:52 pm PST #1374 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

Anne said: since the Templars are the Area 51 of European History.

And I love her for it. So. Damned. True. I'd really love to find a book about the Templars, but it's really hard to find something that isn't full of woo-woo and Masons and suchlike. The reality is quite weird enough.


§ ita § - Jan 18, 2004 4:28:02 pm PST #1375 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Raquel, I think it was cumulative -- The Thing said that this time, he'd found a fault line in the construction.

Read Ultimate X-Men 41 today. I may have a hate on for many of the timelines, and this is a rewrite (I can't work out which comic is the extension of the normal universe), but DAMN. I really liked it. I even liked the one before quite a bit, for all they're redoing origins.

Storm's very different, but not unworkably, not at all. Reasonable if you switch up a bit of her history. Unlike the Storm in the comic with Masque, who in combination with being crappily drawn, is psychologically unreachable a destination for Ororo Monroe. Well, in any interesting fashion, anyway.

Logan? Still the same Logan in Ultimate, and god, he was just right in #41. Stories are very short, but tight.


Volans - Jan 18, 2004 7:17:44 pm PST #1376 of 10000
move out and draw fire

Oh! You're right, ita. Duh.

Have I said before how much I like the non-traditional art in 1602? Coz I do.

That thing we're white-fonting that I'm not sure why we're white-fonting? Is hard to find a real book about. I recommend Born in Blood. Although it's got a lurid title and cover, it's not bad and not Weekly World News-ish.


Jeff Mejia - Jan 19, 2004 8:39:47 am PST #1377 of 10000
"Don't think of yourself as an organic pain collector racing towards oblivion." Dogbert to Dilbert

Okay, Duck Dodgers as a Green Lantern? Way better than I expected.

The WB animation people at one time were going to do a Green Lantern show, but that fell through, so since they had the characters all drawn up already, they decided to do Duck Dodgers as Green Lantern. Great fu.

They also had a lot of the same Green Lantern corps characters (esp. Kilowog and Katma Tuie) show up in a two-part Justice League episode that had Keith David voice Despero.

Read Ultimate X-Men 41 today. I may have a hate on for many of the timelines, and this is a rewrite (I can't work out which comic is the extension of the normal universe), but DAMN. I really liked it. I even liked the one before quite a bit, for all they're redoing origins.

The Ultimate universe is its own continuity that is "inspired by" and reflects the regular Marvel Universe characters, but isn't tied to the original continuity. Of course, now with 50+ Ultimate Spider Man issues, 40+ Ultimate X-Men issues, and other mini-series, the Ultimate universe is building up its own continuity.


§ ita § - Jan 19, 2004 8:46:37 am PST #1378 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Ultimate universe is its own continuity that is "inspired by" and reflects the regular Marvel Universe characters, but isn't tied to the original continuity.

I have never found Angel attractive until #40. Go team them.

I need to track a site down that explains each branch and its relation to normal canon. I fear that the extension of normal Xverse is one of the comics I hate.

But The New Mutants is also pretty good. I've had to buy some of all of them, until I had enough data to work out what I was buying out of habit, and which one I really wanted the next of right away.

I love Kilowog. He shaped my cursing for a while.


Jon B. - Jan 19, 2004 9:25:51 am PST #1379 of 10000
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Okay, Duck Dodgers as a Green Lantern? Way better than I expected.

Where was this?!


DXMachina - Jan 19, 2004 9:31:12 am PST #1380 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

It was on Cartoon Network last night at around 8. Duck Dodger's and Hal Jordan's dry cleaning get mixed up and hilarity ensues.