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§ ita § - Feb 20, 2007 7:15:01 am PST #2110 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I expect Fat Tuesday has been what it's called there for a long, long time.

Never heard it called that there once. In fact, the US was the first time I heard the day named in anything other than French. [eta: no, Shrove Tuesday is familiar...never put two and two together]

Lemme go google.


Aims - Feb 20, 2007 7:15:14 am PST #2111 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

That's right! Pancake Day! I forgot!


§ ita § - Feb 20, 2007 7:17:06 am PST #2112 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

From Wikipedia:

Shrove Tuesday is the term used in the English-speaking countries of the United Kingdom[1], Ireland[2], and Australia[3] to refer to the day after Collop Monday and before Ash Wednesday (the liturgical season of Lent begins on Ash Wednesday). In these countries, and amongst Anglicans in Canada, this day is also known as Pancake Day, because it is customary to eat pancakes on this day.[4][5][6] In other parts of the world—for example, in historically Catholic and French-speaking parts of the United States and elsewhere—this day is called Mardi Gras, and in areas with large Polish-immigrant populations (for example, Chicago and Detroit) it is known as Paczki Day.

Makes sense.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 20, 2007 7:18:41 am PST #2113 of 10001
What is even happening?

Ita (your name is capped against my will - I'm on the blackberry which is correcting me despitew myself) it's not Fat Tuesday in England. It is Shrove Tuesday, instead.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 20, 2007 7:19:24 am PST #2114 of 10001
What is even happening?

Damnably slow thumbs.


Steph L. - Feb 20, 2007 7:20:08 am PST #2115 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Now that the wikipedia entry has been corrected, I read the page on Fat Thursday, and the last part, about the Greek version, made me giggle and giggle:

Fat Thursday (Polish T?usty czwartek, German Fetter Donnerstag or Schmutziger Donnerstag) is a traditional Polish and German feast marking the last Thursday before Lent. Because Lent is a time of fasting, the next opportunity to feast would not be until Easter. It is similar to, but should not be confused with, the French festival of Mardi Gras ("Fat Tuesday"). Traditionally it is a day of gluttony and belly-worship, when people meet in their homes or cafés with their friends and relatives and eat large quantities of sweets, cakes and other meals forbidden during Lent. Among the most popular all-national dishes served on that day are p?czki or berliner, fist-sized donuts filled with rose marmalade, and faworki, French dough fingers served with lots of powdered sugar.

In Italy, Giovedì Grasso (Fat Thursday) is celebrated, too, but is not very different from Martedì Grasso (Fat Tuesday). It is also similar to the Greek custom of Tsiknopempti (loosely translatable as "Barbecue Thursday"), which involves the massive consumption of barbecued meat.

I can't explain why "Barbecue Thursday" strikes me as so funny, but there it is.

Also -- "belly worship"? Heh.

And finally, am I wrong, or does Schmutziger Donnerstag translate to "Dirty Thursday"? Heh. Dirty Thursday.


Kathy A - Feb 20, 2007 7:20:58 am PST #2116 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

According to that foodie site's paczki thread (yes, they have their own thread), the Thursday before Ash Wednesday is called what Steph said upthread, which translates to "Fat Thursday." Today, Fat Tuesday according to other cultures, is called "Ostatki"--meaning the last day you can feast before Lent.


Scrappy - Feb 20, 2007 7:22:12 am PST #2117 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Collop Monday? What the hell is THAT?


lisah - Feb 20, 2007 7:23:37 am PST #2118 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

We always called it Shrove Tuesday and had pancakes for dinner in my Irish American household.

I had 1/2 a bowl of oatmeal and one cup of coffee so far today. Which is already way more meal like than anything I had yesterday. Yesterday was gingerale, water, some saltines, and a little applesauce thanks to baby-transmitted (I'm pretty sure) stomach virus. woo. And nobody was around to fetch me the saltines and gingerale so I had to walk up to the Royal Farms and get it myself once I was steady enough on my feet. I've possibly never felt sorrier for myself.

I might could manage pancakes later if I can figure out where to get them. I'm not up for making them myself.


Aims - Feb 20, 2007 7:24:47 am PST #2119 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Collop Monday? What the hell is THAT?

That's Lundi Gras. Fat Monday, as it were.

In England, it's a nickname because they traditionally have collops with their breakfast.

Whatever the hell collops are.

Collop Monday - Shrove Monday
Named after the traditional dish of the day: collops of bacon served with eggs. In addition to providing little meat, the collops were also the source of the fat for the following day's pancakes.