Zoe: Yeah? Thought you'd get land crazy that long in port. Wash: Probably, but I've been sane a long while now, and change is good.

'Shindig'


Natter Five-O: Book 'Em, Danno.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Feb 20, 2007 6:53:27 am PST #2090 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Joe and I are also forgoing our usual Fat Tuesday meal of kielbasa, sauerkraut, periogies, and beets for excellent Mexican food with Jon B. this evening!

Heh. Not what I would have had in mind for a Mardi Gras meal.

But, yum -- Polish food!

It's weird. I know in theory it's celebrated all kinds of ways by many different cultures, but it's such a big deal back home, and in very few other places I've been that it seems like a strictly Louisiana holiday to me.

I can't remember -- doesn't Mobile, Alabama, make a big deal out of the fact that *their* Mardi Gras is the oldest in America? t edit Yup, they do. (I think they're just jealous that NOLA's is the best-known.)


Amy - Feb 20, 2007 6:55:32 am PST #2091 of 10001
Because books.

They had some paczkis up here last year -- I'll have to see if there are any if I get to the grocery store later.


JenP - Feb 20, 2007 6:59:24 am PST #2092 of 10001

Happy Birthday+1 to Beverly!

Happy Birthday and Commercial Day to Jon!

I'm making turkey chili for dinner, which has nothing to do with Fat Tuesday. Maybe there should be pancakes instead. The chili will probably be better the next day anyway...


Lee - Feb 20, 2007 7:00:20 am PST #2093 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Happy Birthday Jon!


Daisy Jane - Feb 20, 2007 7:01:19 am PST #2094 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I can't remember -- doesn't Mobile, Alabama, make a big deal out of the fact that *their* Mardi Gras is the oldest in America?

From nola.com

10) Mobile (Alabama) says it started Mardi Gras. What do you say?
I say Mobile is a nice clean little city with good fishing, great museums and interesting Civil War historical sites. Y'all come back now.

Back to Mardi Gras. While this claim is an article of faith among Mobile natives, we can't find that the city makes this claim. Neither does New Orleans. Both cities tap dance around the issue, because in fact, both have some bragging rights. In fact the founding fathers of modern Mardi Gras traditions did not see it as a competition between Mobile and New Orleans, but rather as a cooperative effort between buddies. Both cities have gone through periods when Mardi Gras almost died out, and each has been instrumental in exporting traditions to the other and keeping the fire going.

Neither New Orleans nor Mobile started Mardi Gras, of course.

Carnival/Mardi Gras is a European import, celebrated long before Columbus was a gleam in his Daddy's eye. In fact, long before it was Christianized, it was a pagan bacchanalia of drinking and debauchery . . . which hasn't changed much. Much of Catholic - or formerly Catholic - Europe celebrates Carnival under one name or another, again as a season of partying before Lent, as do many of its former colonies. The early explorers and settlers of both New Orleans and Mobile arrived with a tradition of Mardi Gras and adapted the tradition to their new home.

Historically the first recorded celebration of Mardi Gras in what is now the United States occurred in 1699, on a Mississippi River island just downstream from modern New Orleans. The French explorer who threw the party named the place Mardi Gras Island. He then moved upriver and staked out the site for modern New Orleans. Mobile skeptics say this celebration is disqualified since the city of New Orleans didn't exist, except in the explorer's dreams, but that sounds like sour grapes to us. Mobile's first recorded celebration was in 1704.

In both areas, celebrations took place to varying extents from the very beginning of settlement, picking up additional traditions as new waves of immigrants arrived. Partying in New Orleans, in fact, was at times out of control, which eventually brought crackdowns from the Spanish and new American governments, especially focusing on masking and street events. This brought the public celebration of Mardi Gras in New Orleans to a sputter in the early 19th Century. Slowly the Creoles won back permission to expand Mardi Gras celebrations, until masking and street celebrations were again legalized. Mobile stepped into the picture in 1857, when members of the Cowbellian de Rakin Society helped blueblood New Orleans pals set up the Mystic Krewe of Comus, the pioneering parading krewe in the Crescent City. This launched an explosion of new Mardi Gras traditions. What Mobile can accurately claim is a nearly 300-year tradition of organized Mardi Gras celebrations, leadership in the creation of some modern Mardi Gras traditions, and exporting at least one of the most important traditions to New Orleans - the parading krewe.

By the way, you may be interested to know that Gulfport, Mississippi, also claims to have been the site of the first American Mardi Gras. If you take the famous Ship Island excursion ride, you'll find an article from a local newspaper on the wall that claims that Ship Island was the REAL Mardi Gras Island referred to by the explorer.


Ginger - Feb 20, 2007 7:02:43 am PST #2095 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Every year you have the paczki discussion, and every year I google to see if the paczki has come to Atlanta. The answer is always no, and I spend the day vaguely wanting something I've never had.


JenP - Feb 20, 2007 7:05:11 am PST #2096 of 10001

Cowbellian de Rakin Society

Even then, they knew the need for more cow bell.


§ ita § - Feb 20, 2007 7:06:47 am PST #2097 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A Detroit coworker would bring in paczki annually, and I could never work out the deal. But I'm not a big doughnut person, unless there were Krispy Kreme franchises in the old country.

Is Fat Tuesday a translation of Mardi Gras, or vice versa, or are they both a translation of something else? What is the day called in Polish?


DavidS - Feb 20, 2007 7:08:47 am PST #2098 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

What is the day called in Polish?

I thought we established that it was Paczki Day.


Daisy Jane - Feb 20, 2007 7:08:48 am PST #2099 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Mardi= Tuesday Gras=Fat

There's also Lundi Gras.