Jayne, your mouth is talking. You might wanna look to that.

Mal ,'Serenity'


The Crying of Natter 49  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 18, 2007 2:42:11 pm PST #4177 of 10001
What is even happening?

We have to pay mortgage insurance if the downpayment is less than 25% of the purchase price.
That used to be the general case for condominiums, in Massachusetts (different states can have different regulations on stuff like this), but I'm not sure if it is, any more.

When you finally have 25% equity, can you get out of the mortgage insurance? I know there was a move towards that here, in the last few years, but I didn't follow the stories closely, because it didn't apply to us.


Sue - Jan 18, 2007 2:43:56 pm PST #4178 of 10001
hip deep in pie

When you finally have 25% equity, can you get out of the mortgage insurance?

I don't know. I would assume yes.


Jessica - Jan 18, 2007 2:48:32 pm PST #4179 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You'll probably need some kind of insurance Jess, for hazard-y stuff.

Well, we already have regular apartment insurance (which covers our personal property, and the inside of the apartment) in addition to the building's overall policy.

What's the difference between a co-op and a condo?

With a condo, you're buying airspace -- you legally own the inside walls of the apartment and everything within it. With a co-op, you're buying shares in a corporation that owns a building, and those shares just happen to be exactly enough to lease yourself an apartment in said building. In practice, you end up "owning" an apartment either way, but from the bank's perspective, if you buy into a co-op, you're not buying property, and so you don't get a mortgage. Instead, you get a loan that acts in every practical way exactly like a mortgage, but the bank doesn't call it one, and legally you're not considered a homeowner (even though you still get all the same tax benefits).


Topic!Cindy - Jan 18, 2007 2:51:51 pm PST #4180 of 10001
What is even happening?

Huh. I always figured they were the same and that one term was just older. Co-ops came first, right?


amych - Jan 18, 2007 2:55:35 pm PST #4181 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think it's more that condos are more common in some places and co-ops in New York others.


megan walker - Jan 18, 2007 3:03:02 pm PST #4182 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

There's may be other financial reasons, but my understanding is that co-ops are set up to basically let the people who live in a building control who lives there, hence the interview that Jess had to have.


Daisy Jane - Jan 18, 2007 3:03:33 pm PST #4183 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Usually it's around 20% downpayment that cuts out the PMI (though there are programs that you can use that can cut it out without the large downpayment, usually for lower-income first-time homebuyers). It can add just a little or a lot to a house payment, and can sometimes be a barrier to people who have neither enough for a %20 downpayment or the extra hundered a month for the mortgage payment. OTOH, at least it's a way to get a house without the huge downpayment.

I know nothing of co-ops as we don't have many (any?) of those here.


sarameg - Jan 18, 2007 3:08:06 pm PST #4184 of 10001

Jessica, thanks for explaining that. I've always been curious, but forget to look it up when I'm near a computer.

Here there is a big fuss over ground rent. You own the structure, but pay rent on the lot. It's usually not much but people can lose their homes over past-due rents that are much, much less than the value of the home (like a few thousand.) And the system is antiquated, so records are really sketchy. It's all fascinating.


sarameg - Jan 18, 2007 3:15:55 pm PST #4185 of 10001

I love the assistants on Ugly Betty.


Cass - Jan 18, 2007 3:19:30 pm PST #4186 of 10001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Why am I so cruel to commas? I don't know.
To make me feel less alone when I do the same?