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Sean K - Jun 25, 2008 10:36:55 am PDT #6747 of 25501
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Another link for Scola.

Maybe it's no longer possible for the typical geek to understand all things geeky, or even all things geeky that the typical geek might buy. Maybe there are no more renaissance geeks....

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tom Scola - Jun 25, 2008 10:39:53 am PDT #6748 of 25501
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Do you already understand things like the relationship between aperture settings and depth of field

just need more technical things like how do figure out image sensor size relates to actual focal length on DSLRs.

The thing is, I think I understand the former, and then I try to go and figure out the latter, and discover that I really didn't understand the former in the first place.


DCJensen - Jun 25, 2008 10:40:15 am PDT #6749 of 25501
All is well that ends in pizza.

Rockwell''s site was one of the top ten hits when I googled "digital sensor size" (without the quotes).

It was the best keyword search for a LOT of technical data that I need to research as well, as I'm deciding on my first purchase of a digital camera for Ws and me.

The camera I had this weekend at the F2F was borrowed, as I had to replace my entire exhaust system and didn't want to squeeze in a new camera, too.


megan walker - Jun 25, 2008 10:53:11 am PDT #6750 of 25501
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The thing is, I think I understand the former, and then I try to go and figure out the latter, and discover that I really didn't understand the former in the first place.

Aperture is the amount of light reaching (in my case) the film. More light = less depth of field. Or, increasing the f-stop (e.g., from f/4 to f/16) gives you greater depth of field.

For most people's needs, you want to close down aperture as much as possible to increase depth of field. Because usually you want as much of your frame in focus as possible.

Film speed plays a big factor here too, because a lower film speed lets you close down aperture much more, which is what I don't get about how digital cameras work.


Gudanov - Jun 25, 2008 10:58:48 am PDT #6751 of 25501
Coding and Sleeping

Digital cameras can adjust the sensor's sensitivity to light so it is a pretty good analogue to film speed. You generally have an ISO setting you can set the camera to. There is a trade off between sensitivity and noise.


NoiseDesign - Jun 25, 2008 11:01:31 am PDT #6752 of 25501
Our wings are not tired

Basically the more sensitive you make the sensor to light the more digital noise you'll get in the picture. It's similar to the way you see more grain in higher speed films. Anything film speed above 800 really tends to show the grain especially when you blow up the image. Digital behaves in a very similar way.


DCJensen - Jun 25, 2008 11:07:55 am PDT #6753 of 25501
All is well that ends in pizza.

Do you already understand things like the relationship between aperture settings and depth of field

IIRC, the smaller you can get the aperture, the more depth of field.

I used to love the manual-ness of my Pentax K1000, I would manipulate shutter speed and aperture to widen or narrow the DOF.

I was really planning to get back into photography when I bought this house. I even picked up a used darkroom sink from the Associated Press.

However, my Pentax is mostly idle now, and if I save up for a dSLR, I hope I can be half as good as I thought I was at one time.


DCJensen - Jun 25, 2008 11:08:07 am PDT #6754 of 25501
All is well that ends in pizza.

deleted duplicate.

The problem with copying large files from a dying HDD, is that it takes up a lot of processor time, and you end up finishing posts 20-30 minutes later.


megan walker - Jun 25, 2008 11:08:30 am PDT #6755 of 25501
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

So the sensor size Tom was asking about originally would relate to film speed, interesting.

Anything film speed above 800 really tends to show the grain especially when you blow up the image. Digital behaves in a very similar way.

This is why I hated when stores defaulted to 400, sometimes offering 200. Where's my 100 dammit! Not to mention Kodachrome 64. Sniff.

And looking at the previous post, it reads as a hot tranny mess.

Depth of field 101:

Depth of field is the amount of distance between the nearest and farthest objects that appear in focus. People usually want everything sharp, although there are reasons you might want surroundings to be blurry (up-close shots of flowers or birds for example).

Depth of field relates to aperture, lens focal length, and shooting distance.

Smaller aperture = deeper depth of field
Shorter lens (28mm vs. 70mm) = deeper depth of field
Greater shooting distance (from subject) = deeper the depth of field


NoiseDesign - Jun 25, 2008 11:12:11 am PDT #6756 of 25501
Our wings are not tired

So the sensor size Tom was asking about originally would relate to film speed, interesting.

Not exactly. Sensor size does not translate into sensitivity. Rather on most DSLR camers the sensor is smaller than a 35MM frame of film, so a 50mm lens behaves more like a 35mm lens. I believe my memory on that is correct. On the higher end cameras like the Canon 1D and 5D the sensor is the same size as the 35mm film.