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§ ita § - Dec 13, 2007 8:08:00 am PST #3828 of 25497
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think you can get by without PHP--dynamic websites are a whole different bag of tricks. But CSS is key, and I second the rec for W3Schools.


tommyrot - Dec 13, 2007 8:10:48 am PST #3829 of 25497
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is PhP "necessary"? If you end up doing web application development using Microsoft products (asp.net and whatnot) you wouldn't need PhP.

OTOH, maybe it'd be good to learn because knowing one web server programming language would be good, even if you don't end up using that particular language? If that's the case, then yeah.

Um, or something....

eta:

x-posty....

dynamic websites are a whole different bag of tricks.

Yeah, would it be a good idea for a relative novice at web development to get into the dynamic stuff?


amych - Dec 13, 2007 8:13:20 am PST #3830 of 25497
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

*cough*PHP*cough*

(but capitalization aside, thirding the other comments)


Deena - Dec 13, 2007 8:34:11 am PST #3831 of 25497
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Thanks Amych, I think I capitalize it differently every time I write it.

I use PHP a lot, but i don't use any of the Microsoft products, which has hampered me somewhat, and I do build a lot of WordPress websites.

A novice, maybe not with the dynamic content, but if they can teach advanced Dreamweaver, and the course ends in a certification of some sort, they could at least teach enough to be dangerous--even if it's just which one to learn or where to go next. There are a lot of options out there.


Jessica - Dec 13, 2007 8:39:03 am PST #3832 of 25497
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I have a related question, actually. I've offered to design a website for the critics group DH belongs to, and they have offered to pay me. It's not going to be a terribly complicated site, but I'm also not a professional web designer.

I was thinking $250 to create the site, plus $50/year for registration/hosting/maintenance. (Right now they don't even have a domain name, so I'm going to just add it to my Dreamhost account.) Am I totally off-base with that amount, or does that sound reasonable?


§ ita § - Dec 13, 2007 8:57:23 am PST #3833 of 25497
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jessica, that's a terrible question.

How much do you value your time? I'd start from there, and then start estimating how long it will take you.


Jessica - Dec 13, 2007 9:31:09 am PST #3834 of 25497
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How much do you value your time?

Oh like that's got a quick and easy answer.

Ugh. This is why I was a terrible freelancer.


Liese S. - Dec 13, 2007 9:35:29 am PST #3835 of 25497
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I would probably charge more than that, especially for the ongoing bits. I would also probably have them buy their own domain & hosting; down the road you may wish legal separation for their site and yours.

I would also put in writing what sort of ongoing maintenance they'll expect from you. Will they be putting up regular updates? How often? Will there be software that needs maintained, like blogging or calendaring?


amych - Dec 13, 2007 9:44:10 am PST #3836 of 25497
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I won't give any specific feedback on amounts -- that depends not only on how you value your time, but what the site specs are -- but my one hard-earned bit of friends-and-family freelance pricing wisdom is not to do the ongoing maintenance thing. They don't need to pay you to renew their domain every year -- set it up so they have the keys and it auto-renews. Make an agreement for a specific package (a certain number of pages, or setting up a customized look-and-feel with xyz required features in wordpress, or whatever), and then promise them good terms if they want to make a separate deal to redesign in the future.


Jessica - Dec 13, 2007 9:50:07 am PST #3837 of 25497
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Make an agreement for a specific package (a certain number of pages, or setting up a customized look-and-feel with xyz required features in wordpress, or whatever), and then promise them good terms if they want to make a separate deal to redesign in the future.

This is good advice.

Thanks guys!