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Typo Boy - Aug 24, 2015 11:02:43 am PDT #24554 of 25496
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My Mom's old computer has become intolerably slow. All she does is browsing, manager her banks account, email, and the very occasional speech for which she uses Open Office. She needs to be on a windows computer (unless there is an easy way to share printers between windows and linux - something that looks a bit tricky to me.) So what specs? I mean I see some really inexpensive windows 10 computers but I worry that slow processors, slow buses and slow hard drives will slow her down. OTOH, she does not need anything super. The hard drive needs to basically hold the OS, anti-malware, firefox, thunderbird and open office. Here "data" that is actual work will never come close to half a gig. So the low end sized disks (500 Gig) or whatever will work fine as long as they are not slow. Because of constant software updates, and constant anti-malware scans they do have to be reasonably fast. So that stuff that is supposed to go on in the background can go on into the backround and still leave her enough bandwidth to actually do things. So how do I distinguish a bargain from something that really won't support the basic functions she needs. I'd kind of like a little "cushion" so it will contiue to work once windows stops lowering footprint, and updates with a bunch of bloatware, as it probably will eventually.


DXMachina - Aug 24, 2015 2:36:42 pm PDT #24555 of 25496
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Typo, I think pretty much anything modern you get will be able to handle that your mom's needs. Are you looking for a laptop or a desktop?

Also if you're not yet aware of it, although Windows 10 is apparently a great OS, by default all privacy settings are turned off, allowing Microsoft to collect all sorts of data about your mom. This can mostly be fixed (there are already articles on the net about how to do it).

They've also set it up so that they will (not just can) push updates down onto the system without your permission. This cannot be overridden. I don't think that should be much of a big deal to someone like your mother who is only using the most basic functions, but it a problem for folks doing stuff that might get bricked by a patch.


Steph L. - Aug 24, 2015 2:42:03 pm PDT #24556 of 25496
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

She needs to be on a windows computer (unless there is an easy way to share printers between windows and linux - something that looks a bit tricky to me.)

I don't know about the printer-sharing issue, so this might be a no-go, but Tim got his dad a Chromebox because his dad has pretty much exactly the same computer needs as your mom. His dad's Windows machine was full of viruses, which is not a problem with a Chromebox. They're also pretty dang inexpensive, especially if you don't need to upgrade her monitor or keyboard. And his dad, who is 0% computer-savvy, had not problem making the switch from the Windows OS to the Chromebox.

(Tim also bought himself a Chromebox so that he could remotely troubleshoot his dad's computer, which was a stroke of brilliance.)


Typo Boy - Aug 24, 2015 2:42:17 pm PDT #24557 of 25496
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, planning to do privacy adjustments, and also make interface as much like Windows 7 as possible. So, for example, is 4 Gig of Ram and a processor that is many generations old OK?(Teppy - in terms of the chromebook - problem is, her computer needs to be the print server for other computers. Chrome uses cloud print - It can print on a printer that is on a windows printer, but can't host a printer.)


DXMachina - Aug 24, 2015 3:17:33 pm PDT #24558 of 25496
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

From what I've heard, Win 10 can run pretty well on older equipment, so I think you'll be okay. I might go for more RAM if it's not a deal breaker.

and also make interface as much like Windows 7 as possible

Yeah, I just did this to my mom's Win 8 laptop. (Not that I blame her. I hates it, precious.)


Steph L. - Aug 24, 2015 3:30:30 pm PDT #24559 of 25496
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

(Teppy - in terms of the chromebook - problem is, her computer needs to be the print server for other computers. Chrome uses cloud print - It can print on a printer that is on a windows printer, but can't host a printer.)

Ah. Makes perfect sense. For Tim's dad, we had to get him a wireless router and a printer that can print via wifi, but now all the grandkids are happy because the house has a wifi network.


Ginger - Aug 24, 2015 5:05:20 pm PDT #24560 of 25496
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I've been fighting Win 8 since I had to get a new PC is spring, and I loathe it so much I'm thinking of jumping to Win 10 rather than trying to beat Win 8 into submission. Aside from the privacy thing, which I knew about, anything else I should watch for?


DXMachina - Aug 24, 2015 5:50:53 pm PDT #24561 of 25496
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

There's a good overview of both the good and the bad here.

Also:

Microsoft can disable your pirated games and illegal hardware which is about what you agree to now when you agree to the EULA for Microsoft's Live Services, which includes Cortana, their answer to Siri. What they seem to have done is just copied the EULA from XBox verbatim, and most are assuming that the games and illegal hardware are the kind of stuff XBox hackers are fond of, rather than using a non-certified video card, but who knows.


Typo Boy - Aug 24, 2015 6:24:26 pm PDT #24562 of 25496
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

That Forbes article you link suggests waiting until Ocober to upgrade existing Windows computer - gives them time to get bugs out. If I get her a brand new windows computer I'll probably do the free upgrade as soon as it will let me.


dcp - Aug 24, 2015 6:33:28 pm PDT #24563 of 25496
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

...Win 10...anything else I should watch for?

Managing LANs and wireless connections has become over-simplified, there is little in the way of options, diagnostics, or tools. If you can connect, great, but if you cannot then there is not much you can do about it.

IMHO the amusement provided by Cortana is not worth the resource usage and battery drain.

My 8-year-old 17" laptop has 2GB RAM and a 1.50GHz processor. It came with Vista, and it upgraded to Win7 okay, but Win10 is a bit much for it. I saw noticeable slowdowns with the new Microsoft Edge browser, Windows Explorer, and OpenOffice. I reverted it to Win7 and intend to keep it that way.