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Buffistechnology 3: "Press Some Buttons, See What Happens."

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§ ita § - Jul 18, 2012 2:23:29 pm PDT #20541 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. I'm totally conditioned to use email clients. Like, during the day at work, I use a webmail client for my primary email, which is my own domain address, and my Android devices use IMAP because of limitations of the clients on that platform, but both options frustrate me. But I'm not going to download personal email onto my work computer, and maybe it's been long enough I can look at Android email clients again.

However, I run Mail on my Mac which contains some emails going back as far as...2004 on...11 email accounts , including some on gmail. And you can bet I want to work out how to get those onto this one. I also have Thunderbird running full time on the PC downloading mail for about 7 or 8 email addresses, only one of which isn't also covered by the Mac, and which I will get around to setting up on the new one.


NoiseDesign - Jul 18, 2012 2:54:25 pm PDT #20542 of 25501
Our wings are not tired

There is a function inside Mail for exporting mailboxes. So you can export them on your old machine and then import them into the new one. I've got mail archived on this machine going back to the middle 90's when I was using Claris em@iler. I've been able to export mailboxes and keep them moving between machines.


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2012 2:58:46 pm PDT #20543 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A while back (June 16th, to be precise), I complained here that Opera 12 was swapping my shit around: ita ! "Buffistechnology 3: "Press Some Buttons, See What Happens."" Jun 16, 2012 3:54:19 pm PDT . As a result, at some unpredictable time in a session, my shortcut keys and my menus would stop working as advertised and work in another completely consistent but undocumented way.

I can't lie, I was a bit excited for the new computer with the new OS, because it's a new environment, and I hadn't seen anyone else complain about this issues, so something special to my old box must be cocked up. It's not like anyone replied to my post on the Opera forum or people reply to bug submissions. That's not how it works.

MotherFUCKER. Shit just happened to my Opera 12 on the new box with OS X Lion. Command T doesn't open a new tab anymore, it does what Command O used to do. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Why motherfucking me, bitches? What did I do?


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2012 2:59:44 pm PDT #20544 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

serial: Thanks for that heads up, ND. I'll be sure to do that. All my mid-90s mail was Eudora. I have it burnt to CD--it's reasonably easy to read with a text editor.


Ginger - Jul 19, 2012 7:58:56 am PDT #20545 of 25501
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

If power blips are causing my computer to turn off, my UPS probably needs a new battery, right? The battery is pretty old.


DCJensen - Jul 19, 2012 8:02:17 am PDT #20546 of 25501
All is well that ends in pizza.

I do backup Gmail.

I'm trying to back up all of my Gmail onto Thunderbird, and it's taking forever. I have to go click "download now" because even if I have the check box checked, it doesn't auto download Gmail.

It does fine on all other accounts. The other thing I run into is that it downloads 48 at a time form Gmail.


omnis_audis - Jul 19, 2012 9:05:29 am PDT #20547 of 25501
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir

If power blips are causing my computer to turn off, my UPS probably needs a new battery, right? The battery is pretty old.
Yes, that would be a strong possibility. Also, there are different grades of UPS's. If purchasing a new one, check one that has "brown out" protection (is usually how they label it on the boxes). The better ones tend to run off the battery with the power constantly charging it. That way, there is no switch over gap in time. Some will have a fraction of a second reaction to the loss of power, which is enough to power off your devices. The brown out protection, I believe, sense dips in power, and switches it sooner. The high end ones, just run off battery, like I mentioned above.


§ ita § - Jul 20, 2012 2:42:41 pm PDT #20548 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm really struggling with two things on the new OS X. The touchpad, which I might flip, since there's work, and it gets crazy. That motion on a screen is fine for me--the screen reminds me of the metaphor, but at this distance, it's not the same.

And then there's mail. Actually, I think taking Classic view off is more helpful, because the conversation grouping (despite me being fine with it in Gmail and and Outlook) was somehow not being predictable enough for me. I mean--I'm looking at the most recent message in the conversation in the pane, but when I hit reply, it's quoting three down. So I've turned much of that off. Hopefully that will make things more reasonable. I was told it's for iPad convergence but it's no coincidence homey here don't play iPad, yp.

The Launchpad and Mission Control are fine, although I was all ack! ack! APPLICATIONS??? for couple seconds there. But metaphors are my friend....very crafty, Apple...I'm on to you. And I'm not sure precisely how the spaces work, but since I can create new ones and put apps in 'em, I'm not sure I need anything more advanced right now, you know?

I'm halfway through looking at all the system preferences and seeing what their impact is--so that scroll bar one. Why would I only want scroll bars when I'm scrolling if there's more information than fits in the control? Am I missing some other indicator that there's more data? Because I got confused by that a couple times until I remembered having seen that setting and played confusedly with it.

For some reason, although I can pair Mary with my phone, and send files from Mary to Mace? I can't, via Bluetooth, send files from Mace to Mary. I ended up Dropboxing, because I didn't have Android File Transfer installed yet. Way frustrating.

I should also be presenting SMB shares on all machines that my Androids can access. It's the friendly thing to do.


§ ita § - Jul 20, 2012 8:41:21 pm PDT #20549 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This is weird. I don't think it's because it's on my lap--I did that from time to time with the old one. And no settings leap out at me. But it seems much more sensitive about what it deems a slant, and I'm ending ouf

Is there something I can tweak, or is it up to me relearning?


§ ita § - Jul 21, 2012 3:18:34 pm PDT #20550 of 25501
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wonder why neither major desktop OS is doing anything fancy with the clipboard. Office used to, but that seems to have stopped--at least automatically, or as something they signal. To be frank, I did find the corner of my screen yelling at me a bit distracting, but it could be useful from time to time.

is there really no payoff for either company to dress it up a little? Provide a history, or a viewer, or something perfectly obvious I'm not thinking about?