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Gudanov - Oct 11, 2010 8:53:13 am PDT #15159 of 25501
Coding and Sleeping

I wouldn't call it an ordinary hybrid. The ICE only contributes power at highway speed when it's already activated to maintain charge since it's more efficient than just charging the battery and having only the electric motors provide power.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2010 8:54:15 am PDT #15160 of 25501
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah if true this is news. Everybody thought this was going to be first commercial true series hybrid. Normally when a mainstream news org gives different tech info than the company (about specs, not safety issues and stuff), the mainstream news org has screwed up. We will see if this is an exception.


Tom Scola - Oct 11, 2010 8:54:55 am PDT #15161 of 25501
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

It certainly makes the drivetrain a hell of a lot more complicated, though.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2010 8:55:54 am PDT #15162 of 25501
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Ah, and Gudanov explains. That makes sense. So it is a true electric during the first 40 miles or so, and then after that becomes series hybrid at low speeds, and a parallel electric at high speeds.


Gudanov - Oct 11, 2010 9:14:49 am PDT #15163 of 25501
Coding and Sleeping

Actually, I don't think I got it quite right. It sounds like the ICE will always get triggered at high speed since the electric motor is less efficient when spinning that fast and it'll burn through more charge. But basically that's right, it becomes a parallel hybrid at high speeds and a series hybrid at low speeds in order to get the most out of it's electrical charge.


Gudanov - Oct 11, 2010 9:16:03 am PDT #15164 of 25501
Coding and Sleeping

It sounds like it's good engineering, but it'll make terrible PR.


le nubian - Oct 11, 2010 10:56:13 am PDT #15165 of 25501
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think it might be me, but the last 10 posts I read as:

blah blah blah hybrid.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2010 11:20:41 am PDT #15166 of 25501
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Umm - Yeah we got a bit jargony.

Short version: The Volt turns out to be less like a real electric car and more like a Prius than advertised. I'll do the long version in separate post.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2010 11:27:31 am PDT #15167 of 25501
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Attention conservation notice: extended discussion of the Volt and Hybrids for those who are interested. Skip if not a subject you want to focus on at the moment.

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OK Here is the skinny (and I hope that phrase is not read as pro-Anorexia).

1) Pure electric cars don't have an engine. They have a battery which you charge by plugging into your wall and that's is the only way they get electricity to run on. Downside: batteries are expensive, also if you don't have a permanent place to park, hard to install an extra wall plug to plug them into and charge them. (A few complexities dropped cause this is already TLDR)

2) A serial plug hybrid electric adds a little gasoline engine that charges the battery when you run out of the juice you got by plugging into the wall. So your car always runs off a battery, but sometimes the battery is charged by your gas engine. If you mostly take short and medium trips that means mostly your car is driven by the charging from the grid (the plug in your garage, carport or permanent place). But you have the gasoline engine to charge your battery when you travel further . That means you can use a smaller cheaper battery.

3) A parallel hybrid means your car can run directly off the gas engine and also off the battery at the same time. Conventional Hybrids do this with the electricity for the battery created by the gas engine. I won't bore you with why this gets better gas mileage than just burning the gas directly (unless requested) but it does. A parallel hybrid can also have a plug added, so you get a bit of the power from the grid (AKA your garage wall or a post in your parking spot), but not much.

4)The volt has been advertised for a long time as a serial hybrid that always runs off the battery. But it turns out that even if there is a charge in the battery that the gasoline engine kicks in at high speeds, supposedly because it is more energy efficient. I, personally doubt this. I suspect the real reason is to extend battery life. First if more of the drive for the car is provided by gasoline, then you are drawing less from the battery. And if the gasoline kicks at higher speeds, it means you are drawing the battery down as fast. You don't run into spikes of high discharge. Not getting those spikes also conserves battery life. A123 bid on the Volt contract and lost. They are a smaller company, but their batteries are much more robust with longer lifespans. I think Chevrolet made a real mistake by playing it safe and going with a larger company with a less robust technology.


Maria - Oct 11, 2010 12:18:39 pm PDT #15168 of 25501
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

The gasoline engine in the VOLT will never actually power the vehicle. There is no mechanical link between the ICE and wheels. The gas engine always provides power to the electric motor, which in turn moves the vehicle. It is a series hybrid only.