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tommyrot - May 26, 2009 8:37:42 am PDT #10138 of 25501
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Relatedly, has anyone seen a case where the html source (on the client) is not accurate?


Jon B. - May 26, 2009 12:12:40 pm PDT #10139 of 25501
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Not accurate, how? I've noticed that if you're viewing an ajaxified site with Firefox, viewing the page source will give you different results from selecting some text and viewing the selection source. The former gives you what the page would look like when you reload it, while the latter gives you its current state.


tommyrot - May 26, 2009 12:20:21 pm PDT #10140 of 25501
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Not accurate in that I screwed up (see post 10137). Like you said, if you use client-side Javascript to, say, modify the properties of some HTML object, the "view source" option (on IE) will still show you the way things were when the page first loaded, not how they currently are.

Also, what exactly is Ajax? If it just means updating info on the client (using Javascript and XML) by making calls to the server without reloading the entire client page, then we've been using Ajax for eight years.


Jon B. - May 26, 2009 4:44:19 pm PDT #10141 of 25501
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

updating info on the client (using Javascript and XML) by making calls to the server without reloading the entire client page

That's what I meant by ajax, but I think the word is often (mis)used in a way that does not mean what they think it means.


tommyrot - May 26, 2009 4:53:14 pm PDT #10142 of 25501
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

How is it misused?


Toddson - May 27, 2009 5:38:29 am PDT #10143 of 25501
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

OK, anybody have some advice about Wikipedia? I've been given the responsibility for getting an article about the place I work (non-profit/trade association) on Wikipedia. There's an article about the issue we promote, and it links to us, but no article about us specifically.

As I read it, Wikipedia doesn't allow users to create articles about their companies. I can't find any way to request an article. And I'm not sure we meet their "notability" requirement - googline the association gives me pages and pages of, well, us - our regional chapters and articles about our upcoming leadership transition.

Any advice?


amych - May 27, 2009 6:13:37 am PDT #10144 of 25501
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

The standard way to request an article, as far as I can tell, is to say to one's acquaintances, "hey, can someone go stick an article on Wikipedia?" There's no formal request process within Wikipedia (and shouldn't be, or the volume of wank in the universe would expand exponentially).

Notability is harder; if that's all that's out there, you really may not be notable by wikipedia's standards, whatever your bosses want to think. For that reason, your friendly volunteer should ideally be someone with some wikipedia experience who's willing to stick around and argue for the page in talk and not just stick something and disappear.


Toddson - May 27, 2009 6:16:35 am PDT #10145 of 25501
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Thanks!

Anyone willing to help me out? I have something that's fairly straightforwardly factual. If not ... well, I'll fumble through.


Jon B. - May 27, 2009 6:30:32 am PDT #10146 of 25501
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

How is it misused?

I remember seeing a particularly inane article by John Dvorak where he was complaining about ajax. A closer read, however, made clear that what he was really complaining about was poorly written CSS and javascript.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 27, 2009 7:52:18 am PDT #10147 of 25501
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know if any of the tech gurus will have advice since my preferred browser is so out of date (Netscape 7.1 for the Mac), but just in case:

Something apparently happened to my program over the long weekend, resulting in Netscape no longer actually saving files to my computer when I click "Save Link Target As..." or "Save Image." It seems to work normally, but the download manager doesn't pop up and nothing actually gets saved. (Whatever happened also erased most of my saved bookmarks, but left a random assortment including some recent ones.) I've looked through the preferences to see if there's some setting I need to switch back, but couldn't find any likely culprits. I also re-installed the program, but the same problem continues. Any advice or suggestions?