Buffy: Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy. Xander: I think I liked it more when you were kicking me in my puffy groin.

'Get It Done'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beth b - Dec 26, 2006 3:02:49 pm PST #8151 of 10007
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

brenda - that's horrid.

and the problem with pain- knowing how bad it is. The person suffering knows it is bad , but how bad? The doctor doesn't have any way to tell how the paitent is feeling. and pain management is still a black art. not everything works for everyone - somethings need time to work and sometimes you need to combind things...


Theodosia - Dec 26, 2006 3:05:50 pm PST #8152 of 10007
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Thanks for all the birthday wishes! I'm feeling very well-wished at the moment!

The drive back was much better than the drive down, a shade over 6 hours (with minor stoppage) versus 8.5. Listened to more of Hodgman's book (the part about the 51 states, with entirely dubious state songs supplied by Coulton) and made excellent time. Probably as much of a birthday present as I'm going to get.


brenda m - Dec 26, 2006 3:08:24 pm PST #8153 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, I forgot I'd downloaded that. Must (find a time to) listen.


Sheryl - Dec 26, 2006 3:15:05 pm PST #8154 of 10007
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Happy Birthday Jesse and Theodosia!

Florida was nice. Warm weather, way too much food and I slept a good amount. Got to see Laura and her DH and had a good time, even if the plans got totally changed.


Laura - Dec 26, 2006 3:16:55 pm PST #8155 of 10007
Our wings are not tired.

I'm so sorry Brenda that you and your mother had to go through this. How horrible and frustrating for all involved.

I've not personally had to deal with any real chronic pain in my life. Loved ones have been in pain and it is such a feeling of helplessness to not be able to help. Low or high pain tolerance doesn’t really matter when the person is in pain.

There seems to be so much more research on pain management, and yet too many people I care about are suffering.


Theodosia - Dec 26, 2006 3:18:52 pm PST #8156 of 10007
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

There's reason to hope that real-time MRIs and cat scans will be able to quantize pain levels, which will lead to more effective treatments, not to mention if a patient can point to a chart that shows they're experiencing an '8 on 10 scale' pain, the medical personnel won't have much wiggle room to tell them to shake it off.

I'm in a fair amount of chronic pain much of the time -- which I'd characterize as enough pain that aspirin and other NSAIDs can't beat it back. It kind of greys out all the color from your life, you know? I've gotten a lot more empathetic than I ever was before, though, because I know for sure I was underestimating how much guts it takes to go through life with migraines or serious asthma or in fact a whole long list of physical ailings.


Laura - Dec 26, 2006 3:19:26 pm PST #8157 of 10007
Our wings are not tired.

Xposty with about 6 people!

Hi Sheryl. So nice to see you and G again. A welcome break from all the hustle and bustle in my life.

And we have a cold front! Opened the windows to enjoy, but it might get cold enough to have to close them. Woo!


Megan E. - Dec 26, 2006 3:24:07 pm PST #8158 of 10007

I don't want to go back to work ever again.

Hey Sue! I totally agree re: the work thing. I'm sure I'll e-mail you tomorrow. Maybe we could have lunk?

Would you think ill of me if I said I can't wait for my FIL to go home?


Sue - Dec 26, 2006 3:26:13 pm PST #8159 of 10007
hip deep in pie

I'm sure I'll e-mail you tomorrow. Maybe we could have lunk?

Yay!

Would you think ill of me if I said I can't wait for my FIL to go home?

Isn't that part of being an in-law?


brenda m - Dec 26, 2006 3:27:43 pm PST #8160 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Exactly, Connie.

A big part of the problem is that so little of the actual research on pain trickles down to the individual level - or rather, when it does, it goes up against hard seated preconceptions about drugs. And current Federal drug policy, putting doctors at potential risk, just makes it worse. A minor for instance - one of the studies my mom was involved in was with people using IV morphine.

When patients had control of their own meds, at a push of a button they could administer more morphine, they would add more whenever they felt pain. Which sounds like a scenario for abuse, right? But what actually happened was that because they were able to address the pain at onset, their actual use of meds dropped substantially, while their estimation of their pain management and comfort rose.

The injection of morality into pain - which kind of takes us back to where we started - is so key. When people can just do what they need to to control their pain, it works. When they feel like asking for painkillers is immoral or weak in some way - or when they have to confront doctors or nurses who seem to feel that way, and who have the added distortion of draconian and illogical laws influencing them - people ironically need more drugs for less relief. It's so fucked up.