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Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2006 8:32:45 am PST #7188 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If you can usually point to where a photo's been retouched, it means that you're not being fooled often ("usually"), and are pointing to most photos (Hec and my thesis that it's pervasive). I think that's where the disconnect in communication was happening.

I don't think it matters what version of Photoshop this guy uses--I cannot imagine the eye and the patience to work in detail that he must have to pull off what he does and demand the prices he does. I mean, I look at a photo and know what needs to be done to fix a spot here or there, and I know my version of Paintshop Pro has everything I'd need if I were actually halfway good, but yikes.

That's why I like the Worth 1000 competitions. Gives me an idea of what the amateur is doing. Still way mo' better than I ever would.

I really really want to get up and run errands but my brain is molten and I just want to lie down with some tea and whimper. I wonder if my family would accept that in lieu of cotton underwear.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2006 8:38:49 am PST #7189 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Weetabix flakes & fibre:

the single most important thing to understand about economics is that it's all semi-imaginary. That is, economies only exist because we all agree to let them exsist

I know zip about economics any more, and am just wondering about semantics. I'm assuming that semi-imaginary and existing because we agree are being connected here--causally? Or identically?

Is there any other semi-imaginary agreement out there that's bigger than money? I mean, if we stop believing in currency ("generally accepted form of money, including coins and paper notes, which is issued by a government and circulated within an economy. Used as a medium of exchange for goods and services, currency is the basis for trade") in large enough numbers, it loses its power, right?

Mass hallucination? Placebo? I mean, when we do it about money, it's a good thing. When we do it about homeopathy we're gullible, and when we do it about voodoo we're savages.


bon bon - Dec 20, 2006 8:48:09 am PST #7190 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

the single most important thing to understand about economics is that it's all semi-imaginary. That is, economies only exist because we all agree to let them exsist

FTR, I'm not sure how this follows. Government exists because we agree to being governed. I exist because probably no one has agreed to kill me. Contracts exist, etc., etc. I mean, there is an imaginable universe where nothing has value, but that doesn't make this one any less real.


§ ita § - Dec 20, 2006 8:51:58 am PST #7191 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

that doesn't make this one any less real.

Firstly, I'm agreeing to kill the person doing all the banging that's disturbing me right now.

But it's the semantics I'm wondering about. Every inhabitant of the planet can simultaneously stop believing in gravity, and it won't affect the pull between masses. But if we stop believing in money in significant proportions, stuff happens. If many of us lose faith, a stock market can crash. Government's a little harder--it'll take more nonbelievers (which is why I credit money as more delicate).

I don't know if imaginary is the word, but there is one, isn't there? At the very least implying the "since we agree" nature of the whole thing?


Jessica - Dec 20, 2006 8:52:07 am PST #7192 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh, please let this be true

Britain's Daily Star newspaper reports that the wife of football star David Beckham has apparently been lined up to play the alien bride in The Thetan - based on the religion, which believes in alien life forms.

The 32-year-old - who made her first attempt at acting in the 1997 Spice Girls movie Spice World - will play the bride of an alien leader called a thetan, which Scientologists claim is an immortal spiritual being, present in all humans.

Cruise - who is bankrolling the project himself after it was rejected by all the major film studios - is said to have picked Victoria for the role after being impressed by her "comic genius".


Nutty - Dec 20, 2006 8:54:08 am PST #7193 of 10007
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I was going to say. Money's a biggie, and one that directly affects us all pretty much every day, but law is a biggie too. Lotta imaginary things going around that help keep our ordinary lives running by general agreement.

Anything oriented toward "the public good" relies on three generally-agreed abstractions: that there is such a thing; that it matters and should be striven for, and what it actually is.


Cashmere - Dec 20, 2006 8:55:42 am PST #7194 of 10007
Now tagless for your comfort.

Jessica, things I've read have been trying to debunk this rumor.

Scola made me laugh with those links. I felt like such a hypocrit saying cookies aren't for breakfast because I know damn good & well, I've had cookies for breakfast PLENTY of times.

I skipped Bush's speech for the dentist. Did I miss anything?


Aims - Dec 20, 2006 8:56:29 am PST #7195 of 10007
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I'm listening to Missy Elliot's "We Run This" for the first time. I LOVE this song. I need the CD.


Sean K - Dec 20, 2006 8:56:40 am PST #7196 of 10007
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I'm assuming that semi-imaginary and existing because we agree are being connected here--causally? Or identically?

Not sure. Not sure of the definitions and differences between causally and identically here.

I mean, if we stop believing in currency [snip] in large enough numbers, it loses its power, right?

Most definitely. There's more than one example of economies collapsing because the people lost confidence and probably every economic collapse is related to a loss of confidence in the reality of the economy to one degree or another.

The Dutch tulip mania is a great case study of how economies are created from practically nothing.


Jessica - Dec 20, 2006 8:57:29 am PST #7197 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think as long as we're trading anything, we've got an economy. If I give you three chickens and you give me a bushel of wheat, chickens and wheat are being used as currency. They're not money, but they're not strictly foodstuffs either. It's worth my while to breed extra chickens because I can trade them for other things I need but would prefer not to produce -- they have value beyond providing eggs and cutlets for me and my family.