Kaylee: Is that him? Mal: That's the buffet table. Kaylee: Well how can we be sure, unless we question it?

'Shindig'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Dec 16, 2006 8:52:51 am PST #6627 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

my big worry was that since I swallowed it the tooth fairy wouldn't come that night

My big worry would have been that the tooth fairy would show up to get that tooth, not that she wouldn't.


Scrappy - Dec 16, 2006 8:52:53 am PST #6628 of 10007
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I don't think of Santa Clause as lying so much as mythmaking. I always liked stories and so I believed in Santa and the Tooth Fairy and also elves and fairies and Borrowers and other magic partly because I liked the stories that went with them.


msbelle - Dec 16, 2006 8:55:04 am PST #6629 of 10007
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Oh, I believed and was FURIOUS when I found out the parents had been lying to me and that everyone else already knew. FURIOUS.

mac knows who Santa is, but I am not sure what he know wrt getting gifts. despite whatever it is, he will be told that Santa represents the spirit of giving at Christmas.


megan walker - Dec 16, 2006 8:55:27 am PST #6630 of 10007
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Meanwhile, an awful lot of people believe Santa Claus is real and alive, while I believe that's a myth/legend. And having been a Santa Claus true believer at one point, and having met more of them in my lifetime than I can count, I can tell you their utter conviction about him makes a mockery out of the faith of even the most fanatical Christians I've ever met. I think the Santa believers just get to have their symbol because they're cuter than the rest of us. It's not fair.

Cindy,
Are you talking about adults? Seriously?


Topic!Cindy - Dec 16, 2006 8:55:52 am PST #6631 of 10007
What is even happening?

The Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny never convinced me, and it was those stories that made me doubt there was any truth to Santa. I was 5 or 6 when I found out (read it in the newspaper), but I'd been trying to out the truth for a couple of years. I remember that the year prior, I'd wanted to wait to make a list, until Christmas Eve.


§ ita § - Dec 16, 2006 8:56:05 am PST #6632 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think of Santa Clause as lying so much as mythmaking

Perhaps no one would be surprised to find out that I was very keen on truth, accountability, accuracy, and fairness as a kid. I didn't just not believe in Santa, I was mad that anyone did.

On the flip side, I believed in magic. But that was different. That was cool. That was stuff that if I could crack it I'd get the edge on my parents and help equalise the power dynamic at home and abroad--the same sort of power dynamic that the world was trying to reinforce with Santa and his little friends.


megan walker - Dec 16, 2006 8:56:59 am PST #6633 of 10007
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

mac knows who Santa is, but I am not sure what he know wrt getting gifts. despite whatever it is, he will be told that Santa represents the spirit of giving at Christmas.

I think that's a good approach. I mean, if he hasn't had Santa bringing him gifts all these years? I think it would be very confusing.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 16, 2006 8:58:25 am PST #6634 of 10007
What is even happening?

Are you talking about adults? Seriously?
Oh, no, which is why I started that paragraph with, "And on a totally silly note," and ended with the thing about Santa believers being cuter than the unbelievers, and it not being fair.


Aims - Dec 16, 2006 9:02:32 am PST #6635 of 10007
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Santa was, and is, for my family mostly tradition. Even at 32, 26, and 25, cookies and carrots and a last minute letter are still left out for Santa and the reindeer. Santa stuffs the stockings, leaves wrapped presents, and leaves one present unwrapped.

The rule in our house was parents didn't get up until 8am on Christmas morning. My siblings and I were usually up around 6. We got to open our stockings and play with the unopened Santa gift. We still do it when we're all home for Christmas.

Once Em is old enough to understand, we'll probably do the same thing with her.


megan walker - Dec 16, 2006 9:03:23 am PST #6636 of 10007
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Oh, thank goodness. Your post makes so much more sense now. It does seem silly to me that I think no one (in my social circle) would expect me confirm the existence of Jesus if I didn't believe (although they might really want me to), but they expect me to play along with the whole Santa thing.