Stop means no. And no means no. So . . . stop.

Xander ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Dec 14, 2006 9:33:16 am PST #6246 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think its also easier to work around a vasectomy... freeze some sperm as a back-up before you do it.


Aims - Dec 14, 2006 9:36:44 am PST #6247 of 10007
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Let me ask this question: If the doctor who wrote the article was a woman - same exact everything - would it still come off that way?


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2006 9:37:02 am PST #6248 of 10007
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think if a mother loses THREE children in a fire or some other horrible accident, the tubal ligation isn't going to be her biggest source of regret. Also, last time I checked, the procedure wouldn't prevent her adopting children should she feel the need to replace the deceased ones immediately as if they were family pets.


bon bon - Dec 14, 2006 9:38:34 am PST #6249 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Aimee, you're not alone. Even if this short column doesn't seem terribly well-evidenced, there has to be a point at which a doctor who sees something all the time should advise her patients about it. If I had a client who wanted to do something, and I knew it was riskier than the alternative and frequently regretted, I'd be reluctant to do it.


Aims - Dec 14, 2006 9:39:53 am PST #6250 of 10007
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Also, those of you who keep saying that having more children after the death of a child makes the parent "feel the need to replace the deceased ones immediately as if they were family pets.", what about miscarriage? Or still birth? Or SIDS? Or even abortion?

Having a child after the death of another one is NOT replacing.


brenda m - Dec 14, 2006 9:40:19 am PST #6251 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'd still be plenty pissed. In the same way? I'm not sure - I might ascribe more of it to paternalistic medicine I guess.


Trudy Booth - Dec 14, 2006 9:41:17 am PST #6252 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Having a child after the death of another one is NOT replacing.

Yeah. It's the difference between being having children and not having children. Its huge.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2006 9:41:56 am PST #6253 of 10007
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The Doctor's tone certainly gives the impression that he regards it as a replacement to make up for the potential lack.


sarameg - Dec 14, 2006 9:42:13 am PST #6254 of 10007

Let me ask this question: If the doctor who wrote the article was a woman - same exact everything - would it still come off that way?

Yes. And for all I know, the author is. I'd assumed not (hey, bias much sara?!!) checked, realized I couldn't actually be certain, and then realized I'd probably be even angrier had I been that patient and the doctor was a woman (again with the biases!?) , which is ridic, but there you go.


Allyson - Dec 14, 2006 9:42:33 am PST #6255 of 10007
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Let me ask this question: If the doctor who wrote the article was a woman - same exact everything - would it still come off that way?

Yes.

I think the Dr may be a victim of his own bad writing, honestly. His heart seems to be in the correct place in terms of actually caring about his patient's well-being, and I think this piece would be a good one if he were clearer about the struggle between his own feelings of regret, and doing what is clearly best for the patient.

He seems to be projecting his feelings of regret onto the woman.