They aren't the subject of story, song, and legend.
But neither is real life.
Mal: That's not what I saw. You like to tell me what really happened? Book: I surely would. And maybe someday I will.
'Safe'
Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 1:00:07 pm PST #4219 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Trudy Booth - Dec 03, 2006 1:02:12 pm PST #4220 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
And there are endless stories of falling for the unsuitable unattainable beautiful woman. Doesn't matter that she's poor, or an actress, or her father is disreputable etc. -- he loves her because she's beautiful.
You never see the opposite -- you don't get epic tales of the man falling for the unsuitable funny looking chick because she's just so darn nice or fertile or can really thresh.
Trudy Booth - Dec 03, 2006 1:03:16 pm PST #4221 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
But neither is real life.
Its a reflection of real life. And, in the case of the non-nobility, its the only description we have of their lives and what they valued.
I suppose its possible that your average peasant boys sat up late nights pining for the girl down the lane who was really great at stretching a dollar... but the ballads we have talk about the pretty ones.
Hil R. - Dec 03, 2006 1:06:07 pm PST #4222 of 10007
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
I'm pretty sure there's a midrash saying that the reason Jacob preferred Rachel was that, the first time they meet, she gives water to the camels first, and then drinks herself. (Actually, there's a similar thing where Abraham's servant first meets Rebecca -- he asks for water for himself, and she not only gives him the water she'd just drawn, but also goes and gets more water for his camels. Lots of water imagery around getting wives in the Bible.)
The only thing that's said against Leah in the Bible is that "she had weak eyes." Lots of interpretations of that.
Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 1:11:05 pm PST #4223 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Poets might pine for the beautiful maiden, but a farmer is a sucker if he doesn't marry someone who can get the best price for eggs.
Trudy Booth - Dec 03, 2006 1:11:29 pm PST #4224 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Not a great example in a Jewish understanding then. Unless my Christian teaching of it was unusual the Christian understanding seems to be that she was less lovely.
sarameg - Dec 03, 2006 1:11:34 pm PST #4225 of 10007
Lots of water imagery around getting wives in the Bible.
I am terribly irreverent because this immediately made me laugh.
Hey babe, want me to fetch you some water, mmm? t eyebrow waggles.
Devi is trying to attack my typing fingers. Given she still hasn't turned up that damned mouse, maybe she's a little frustrated with the lack of active prey....
Trudy Booth - Dec 03, 2006 1:11:40 pm PST #4226 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Not a great example in a Jewish understanding then. Unless my Christian teaching of it was unusual the Christian understanding seems to be that she was less lovely.
Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 1:13:10 pm PST #4227 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Hey babe, want me to fetch you some water, mmm?
Oh baby, I love how you pump that well....
Trudy Booth - Dec 03, 2006 1:13:56 pm PST #4228 of 10007
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Poets might pine for the beautiful maiden, but a farmer is a sucker if he doesn't marry someone who can get the best price for eggs.
And poets appeared from under logs? Stepped out of voids unrelated to the society they lived in? And people popularized the songs that they didn't like or relate to in any way?