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Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 6:06:28 am PST #4190 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Comes from absorbing too much media about models or cheerleaders or makeovers or celebrities without makeup oh noes.

My coworker totally just gave me the Star magazine with celebrities without makeup oh noes, and you know what? It made me feel awesome! Because they do look like crap! IOW, I do believe that most "beauty" in our society is manufactured.

At least in the last few centuries, beauty was completely worhtless next to the possibility of increasing wealth. A woman's value was the wealth of her family far more than her looks.

Definitely in the "daughter of the king" example -- I'm pretty sure the daughter of the king was more a strategic asset than anything else, at least in recent-history Europe.


Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 6:14:14 am PST #4191 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In other news, Aimee should be jealous of Ellen DeGeneres -- Minnie Driver gave her a camel for Christmas! There's a real camel on-set! OK, she's not actually going to keep it -- Minnie is promoting holiday giving to Oxfam, which is doing a Heifer Project type thing.


Jessica - Dec 03, 2006 6:17:40 am PST #4192 of 10007
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

At least in the last few centuries, beauty was completely worthless next to the possibility of increasing wealth. A woman's value was the wealth of her family far more than her looks.

I think it's a tough distinction to make, since standards of beauty have been almost always been historically defined as "what the upper class wants to look like." (And until relatively recently, money was equated with health, since if you weren't rich, you were probably starving.)


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2006 6:19:22 am PST #4193 of 10007
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They're still valued for their beauty, its just a different standard of beauty.

It doesn't matter WHAT the standard is, beauty ends up being the #1 again and again.

Beauty as indicators of status or wealth or value to the family is, I posit, a practical definition and using physical traits as shorthand--we're back to dowry and ability to bear children expressed visually.


brenda m - Dec 03, 2006 6:45:42 am PST #4194 of 10007
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Ooh, I know what next week's cupcakes will be (assuming I more or less stick to the rest of my diet, which is the deal I've made with myself):

Ginger Pumpkin: Ginger cake with Pumpkin buttercream topped with Candied Ginger

Mexican Hot Chocolate: Spiced Chocolate cake with White Chocolate buttercream topped with Cinnamon Mini Marshmallows


SailAweigh - Dec 03, 2006 7:00:09 am PST #4195 of 10007
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Godammit, Brenda. Now you know I'm just going to have to make a trip down for cupcakes.

what about certain African cultures (and Polynesian too, I think) that find fat women the prettiest. Because fat has another meaning in those societies--healthy, from wealth, and probably good childbearing stock.

From what I've read, some of the Polynesian cultures are falling prey to Western advertising. Samoa is actually starting to see cases of, if not anorexia, extreme dieting and attempts to attain a more westernized standard of beauty, i.e. thin.


Kalshane - Dec 03, 2006 7:03:35 am PST #4196 of 10007
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Tony v. Paul

That rocked.


Jesse - Dec 03, 2006 7:08:06 am PST #4197 of 10007
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ginger Pumpkin: Ginger cake with Pumpkin buttercream topped with Candied Ginger

MMMMMMM.


msbelle - Dec 03, 2006 8:00:56 am PST #4198 of 10007
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Hi again.

FLEAS! and not the mommy of casper kind.


bon bon - Dec 03, 2006 8:02:59 am PST #4199 of 10007
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Msbelle! Have you met him yet?