Cacophony.  That's pretty.  What's it mean?

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Natter 48 Contiguous States of Denial  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nutty - Dec 01, 2006 3:29:41 am PST #3917 of 10007
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm all a fan of human rights, but, also, this is not new. The only reason child labor is illegal in this country is the historical power of the union. (And if family farms were more prevalent, that law would be more honored in the breach.)

And don't get me started on rape as a quasi-legal form of marriage or concubinage. I suspect it has existed in a lot more cultures than it hasn't. For that matter, it persists today, in American mythology -- the 1980s soap supercouple, Luke and Laura? There's rape in their history together.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 01, 2006 3:42:01 am PST #3918 of 10007
What is even happening?

Rape laws are pretty much tied into philosophies of ownership rights (and violation thereof). In most of the modern western world, we recognize that women own ourselves, and have the right to self-determination.

The history of the world is a different story. For most of what we know about it, wives, daughters, and sisters—that is, women—have not enjoyed any sort of meaningful right of self-determination. It's their male relatives (including spouses) who have the right of consent. When rape occurs in a society like that, it's the male "owner" of the woman who has been wronged.

And yeah, pfffft in many cases, cultural relativism can bite me.


esse - Dec 01, 2006 3:42:10 am PST #3919 of 10007
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

The Roombas have a secret: [link]


DavidS - Dec 01, 2006 4:41:24 am PST #3920 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but, also, this is not new

No, but I think the Times coverage is relatively new. Back in the 90s the only person I remember talking about this stuff was William Vollman.


Liese S. - Dec 01, 2006 4:49:18 am PST #3921 of 10007
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Whatever traces of cultural relativism I've had are now fully erased and I'm back to inalienable human rights enforced at the point of a gun (if necessary).

Yikes.


DavidS - Dec 01, 2006 5:08:43 am PST #3922 of 10007
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yikes.

Starting with Rush fans!

No, I just mean that the intervention in Kosovo was motivated in part by humanitarian concerns and I think that was the proper application of military force. Situations like that.

I'm not talking about sending everybody in West Africa to forced re-education camps to stop the practice of clitorectomies.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 01, 2006 5:23:27 am PST #3923 of 10007
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Starting with Rush fans!

Geddy Lee died for your sins!!!

This is SO not a joking matter, but that's where my mind went when I saw "Rush". Whatever you think of their music, I'd rather think about them than that hopped-up, bloviating windbag.


Fred Pete - Dec 01, 2006 5:26:27 am PST #3924 of 10007
Ann, that's a ferret.

I'm decidedly not a fan of the band, and I'd still rather think of them than the talk show host.


Theodosia - Dec 01, 2006 5:33:19 am PST #3925 of 10007
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

What does it say about me that I went with the Geddy Lee image immediately?

Possibly I am too fixated on Canadian music...


Nutty - Dec 01, 2006 5:33:51 am PST #3926 of 10007
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I just mean that the intervention in Kosovo was motivated in part by humanitarian concerns and I think that was the proper application of military force.

It was pretty appalling, being 16, 17, and seeing on the news about the Chetnik antics in Bosnia. You know, you grow up reading history, you think, "Well, World War II was bad, but we're all grownups now and that sort of thing doesn't happen any more." And then you get forcibly re-educated as to the currency of wanton cruelty, to say nothing of the sorts of things that go on in peacetime.