Yay, Beth.

and:

Robin

Isn't it usually "definitively" proved, rather than definitely proved?

I think both are OK. And "definitively" carries the connotation of authoritatively, and unchangeably. (I think in some definitions that is even the denotation.) Whereas "definitely" means "certainly", but is still subject to change. I definitely have a quarter in my pocket, but I don't definitively have a quarter in my pocket, because after I park downtown and put it in the meter, I will no longer have that quarter.

I don't like either "definitely" or "definitively" between the "am" and the "proved" (or "proven").

That said, I think it's:

I have been proved wrong

or

I am proven wrong

I'd lose either "def" word, but if you want one, put it before the "wrong".

Bartleby's doesn't give a toss if you choose proved or proven: [link]

Oh, this is funny. I'm talking to an office full of fairly young sounding people. In the background I hear a guy talking to a girl: "And he was trying to do the whole Friends Forever thing, then they had The Talk." And the girl's going "Uh huh, uh huh." It's like listening to High School Tech, gossip interspersed with techie talk. The person's buddies are ragging him about needing to be walked through some steps, and he says, "These are my henchmen." "It's good to have minions," I said. He told them what I said, and they all went "Ooo."

It looks like I might have a new job

Yeah beth! I hope it works out wonderfully for you and that the shorter commute and better hours make up for the lesser pay.

So the offensive post by my prof that I responded to? Well, she didn't respond, but one of my classmates did.

After I read Professors response I was also a little shocked to the word of "sin". Then I read your post and you stated that we cannot let our morals to influence us 100%. This statement shocked me more than the word sin. Our morals and values are what make us who we are. Never in one million years would I compromise my values or morals just because it might not make me a clear thinker. I was told by a very intelligent woman one time that every time you compromise one of those thing you lose a piece of who you are what you stand for and what you want to teach your children. I personally do not think that porn would put us in the depression. There are much more things out there sustaining our country other than porn. Maybe it was porn propaganda you were watching and in this situation it is you who did not do the critical thinking by buying into it. I can agree that it would have some effect on our country financially but i cannot agree to it being so earth shattering. I am one who can vouch for the negative effects of pornography in a few different ways. It has caused problems (many of them) in my relationship and in turn has hurt me emotionally. You also stated that if we show our morals to everyone we might offend some. I would much rather open my mouth and offend all then keep my mouth shut and not take a stand when it came to something that I believed in. Before reading these two posts I was always questioning this stick to what I believe if it has to do with my morals or always keep an open mind. I can see now that there are some situations where no matter how open you are to both sides your morals should always influence you in your decision making.

This was my response:

I see your points.

For me, my morals are my morals and I have no right to push them on someone else. Just as no one has the right to push their morals on me. The only exception to this is if I am doing something or someone else is doing something that directly hurts me or mine. Then, my morals and values will be all over someone else. My beliefs are mine. Your beliefs are yours.

Personally, I think that some people rely on their morals so as not to have to critically think about something. They can say, "I don't believe in that, therefore I will not even consider any other side or facts that relate to the opinion opposite my own." and that, in the context of learning how to think critically, is counter-productive.

For instance, I am morally opposed to abortion. However, I don't believe that it should be illegal to get one. If someone wants to get one, that's on them and does not affect my morals at all.

You also said the following - Maybe it was porn propaganda you were watching and in this situation it is you who did not do the critical thinking by buying into it.

The report that I saw was either on 20/20 or Dateline. I can't remember which. You might very well consider that "porn propaganda". However, economic experts were showing how some of the biggest companies (Ford, Chevy for example) in this country own smaller subsidiaries that are involved in the porn industry. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an industry in this country that wasn't involved, either directly or indirectly, with the porn industry.

I think the Empress is winning the clear thinking race.

Be sure to add that you are clearly differentiating between the original topic--child pornography--and pornography between consenting adults. Point to organizations like Good Vibrations in SF, which is a co-op run for and by its members and which is largely controlled by women.

ETA: In other words, say something about the fact that everything people label"porn" is not the same.

EETA: I think your responses are kickass. Sorry about being a busybody.

Before reading these two posts I was always questioning this stick to what I believe if it has to do with my morals or always keep an open mind. I can see now that there are some situations where no matter how open you are to both sides your morals should always influence you in your decision making.