Wesley: Hey. Hey, Gunn. Is something weird going on? … Charles, you just peed on my shoes. Gunn: I'll be damned. That's weird.

'Life of the Party'


Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Ginger - Dec 12, 2006 6:49:28 pm PST #5302 of 10004
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Meara date: Awwww.

EM: Has every reason to flip out, poor thing.


DCJensen - Dec 12, 2006 7:13:13 pm PST #5303 of 10004
All is well that ends in pizza.

Amusement from Wired, about a wacko that claims soybeans are turning our children gay.

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Lee - Dec 12, 2006 7:13:29 pm PST #5304 of 10004
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

YAY good meara date.

Has every reason to flip out, poor thing.

Yes, this, and what Sparky1 said. Hec, I know (hope) you were being flippant, but honestly, Em has very good reasons for overreacting, and the Xanax comment hit me exactly the wrong way, even knowing you have been a huge support to her.


DavidS - Dec 12, 2006 7:18:19 pm PST #5305 of 10004
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This rubs me the wrong way, Hec. I can't help but think that she's got a perfectly good reason for flipping out. And also, any time a male of the species suggests that a female of the species is getting hysterical over something and should be medicated -- well, my hackles are raised.

Undoubtedly, hysteria is a convenient guy-esque way to dismiss a woman's experience. And she's got reason enough. But she's also a mom with a child that needs her to marshall her resources and pull it together. I think Xanax is one of those resources now.

It's not lithium - it's an anti-anxiety med. I don't see any stigma in taking it, anymore than an AD. She's not sleeping, she's stressed out, she's endangering her job, and she's been through the mill lately. Xanax won't shut her down - it will just allow her to deal. She's used it before - sparingly - and it's been helpful.

Trust me enough that I (a) know her; and (b) am not into pharmaco-shackles on the female psyche.


Aims - Dec 12, 2006 7:21:20 pm PST #5306 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I will say this. Xanax (and a few cocktails right after) helped me get through Prom without a panic attack this year.

(Not to compare my panic attacks to what EM has ben going through AT ALL. Just relating a bit.)


Lee - Dec 12, 2006 7:22:11 pm PST #5307 of 10004
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

And now I feel bad for taking as a quip, Hec. Sorry about that.


Pix - Dec 12, 2006 7:27:12 pm PST #5308 of 10004
The status is NOT quo.

Xanax is the only thing that allows me to cope if I have a full-blown panic attack (and I will admit that it was one of my emergency supply that was offered when Aimee was having one at Prom. I just couldn't stand idly by when I knew I could help her. I guess I have flexible morality when it comes to these things.). Luckily, Zoloft has made it a rarity for me. Still I do find there is a stigma attached to it, more so than with my AD.

Not that this has anything to do with any of your comments--just my own 2 cents on the stigma issue.


Cass - Dec 12, 2006 7:43:16 pm PST #5309 of 10004
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Kitties are okay if their fur gets a little glittered, yes? Kittenish's shiny black fur is a wee bit sparklier than normal. I suspect my Black Pearl bath last night is to blame. After all she's been through, I don't one reckless night with Lush to be her downfall.

I hate that Xanax, Zoloft *AND* lithium still get the bad rap and the stigma. It would be easier if mood disorders whether situational, biochemical or [some other kind that I can't think of but suspect there is] were something people in general didn't see as personal failings. Broken leg? Sure, take care of it medically and use a damn crutch while it heals. Panicking because you are personally being threatened along with your child by proximity? There's the overall sense that medication is an unneeded crutch. It rankles.


Lee - Dec 12, 2006 7:47:55 pm PST #5310 of 10004
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I'm sorry if what I said rankled you Cass and Kristin. I am a firm believer in using pharmacology to help where and when it is needed, and if that did not come across, I should have chosen my words better. I was reacting to what seemed like an off the cuff quip on Hec's part, and not the fact that someone would be helped by Xanax, or any other drug.


Steph L. - Dec 12, 2006 7:48:46 pm PST #5311 of 10004
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

And a Xanax scrip. Seriously, she's flipping out like eighteen mammals.

This rubs me the wrong way, Hec. I can't help but think that she's got a perfectly good reason for flipping out. And also, any time a male of the species suggests that a female of the species is getting hysterical over something and should be medicated -- well, my hackles are raised.

I didn't read Hec's comment as "hysterical female; get the drugs" -- I read it as "She's going through -- and has *been* going through -- WAY too much uber-stressful crap and is therefore responding in the only sensible way, which is to flip out. The flipping out is making her unable to sleep, function, etc., and if Xanax will help her get some much-needed sleep/chill time, then get the meds."