Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?

'Smile Time'


Spike's Bitches 33: Weeping, crawling, blaming everybody else  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


brenda m - Nov 07, 2006 9:48:03 am PST #367 of 10004
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

In Quebec, actually, high cigarette taxes caused enormous problems, eventually leading to a show-down with the federal government. (Quebec won.)

I thought the line of reasoning was because of the huge burden that smokers placed on health resources, insurance companies, and whatnot.

Insurance companies can afford it, and are private businesses anyway.

Lots of things put a strain on health resources. And, well, one thing smokers don't strain is Social Security. Quite the opposite. Which is not to say these aren't legitimate issues, but there's more to it than just smokers driving us all to the poor house.

Again, I don't think smokers should have free reign, either. But I wish there were more room for compromise.


DCJensen - Nov 07, 2006 9:52:05 am PST #368 of 10004
All is well that ends in pizza.

..And curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.


Sean K - Nov 07, 2006 9:52:05 am PST #369 of 10004
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also? I am profoundly opposed to strapping GPS locators to the ankles of sex offenders for the rest of theirs lives (Prop 83). Yes, I'm sure most sex offenders are vile, reprehensible people, and if one ever touched my child or loved one, it would take a lot of effort to prevent me from going vigilante on his ass. However some sex offenders are unfairly branded so because of bad laws (there are a few older gay men in Los Angeles who were busted back in the '50's under a perversity law who have wound up having very scary problems with being forced to register as sex offenders because of the recent crop of victim protection laws), but more to the point this is the US and we don't do that kind of thing here.

At least, that was the kind of country I grew up believing we were supposed to be.


Amy - Nov 07, 2006 9:53:27 am PST #370 of 10004
Because books.

Lots of things put a strain on health resources.

Exactly. I posted up above about the strain alcohol puts on health resources and other resources, but the truth is, how much does obesity strain our health resources? How many expensive health issues stem from obesity? Yet we're not taxing sour cream and bacon disproportionately. (And I'm not saying we should, just that the logic would follow.)


DCJensen - Nov 07, 2006 9:54:11 am PST #371 of 10004
All is well that ends in pizza.

this is the US and we don't do that kind of thing here.

GWB and Assoc have burned this phrase out in my brain.


Typo Boy - Nov 07, 2006 9:54:48 am PST #372 of 10004
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I refuse to live in a world without cheese.

There are fat free cheeses out there that can be lived with. El Presidente makes a fat free Feta which is quite tasty. Shredded fat free shredded mozerella is decent enough if you don't expect it to taste much like mozerella, and think of it as an exotic white cheese. Shredded fat free cheddar actually tastes rather like cheddar. Lastly if you use the cheese slices (which I do sometimes for sandwiches and such) Lucerne fat free cheddar (available in Safeway) tastes no worse than any other packaged cheese slice. In general fat free cheese work well in sauces.


Aims - Nov 07, 2006 9:58:16 am PST #373 of 10004
Shit's all sorts of different now.

how much does obesity strain our health resources?

Amen to that. And I say that as someone who is considered obese by health professionals. And also pays higher insurance premiums due to my weight.


Ginger - Nov 07, 2006 10:00:24 am PST #374 of 10004
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There's actually some evidence that smokers have less effect on public spending because of the whole dying early thing. I'm afraid I cheer on every no-smoking legislation, because cigarette smoke sets off the asthma and coughing, and it's worse every year. It would be different if you could really keep the smoke from smoking areas in the smoking area, but if you're smoking, I'm smoking. I know it's very very hard to quit; my father smoked while on oxygen.

Alcohol is heavily taxed on the federal and state level.


beekaytee - Nov 07, 2006 10:02:14 am PST #375 of 10004
Compassionately intolerant

Yet we're not taxing sour cream and bacon disproportionately. (And I'm not saying we should, just that the logic would follow.)

I understand the basic logic of this, but someone choosing to eat sour cream and/or bacon does not send me to the ground, unable to breath. Nor does it keep me out of social events and concert halls. Smoking does. MY eventual (and terrifyingly likely) medical costs will be shared by society. That isn't my choice, believe me. And this affliction, which will probably be my cod was precipiatated by both my parents smoking...or so I'm told.

My mother, from whom I'd been seperated for 27 years, quit smoking the day I came back into her life. 6 years later, she died anyway, leaving behind astronomical medical and disability costs that she could not pay. Who ended up covering those costs?


tommyrot - Nov 07, 2006 10:02:43 am PST #376 of 10004
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

They should tax skydiving and... young idiots who ride their motorcycles at more than 100 mph on the freeway without helmets....