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Natter 47: My Brilliance Is Wasted On You People  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Strega - Oct 23, 2006 5:01:03 am PDT #4902 of 10001

There was stuff about diagramming sentences in our grammar books. But we never did those chapters. I think some teachers did teach it, but I never had any of them.

She didn't neglect our grammer. She concentrated on it in our writing.

I support her in email. It always seemed slightly goofy to me to teach grammar as abstract theory; I learned to write by reading a lot. Like Jesse, I did learn some odd tidbits by taking Spanish, since then I couldn't rely on just knowing that something sounded right or wrong.

And here's a table that gives you the current equivalent for pre-1996 SAT scores. (My math score went down! No fair.)


megan walker - Oct 23, 2006 5:07:17 am PDT #4903 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I seriously fear it's a losing battle, though. More and more people figure that, as long as you can make yourself understood, grammar doesn't matter. Soon we'll have devolved into grunts and gestures.

On a slightly more optimistic note, I've found that most students are happy to learn grammar, they really just haven't been exposed to it in any structured way. I think a good teacher can teach it through writing, but most students need "rules" that they understand and can then apply. The most obvious example that I see more and more (in English) is the random comma. And when I say, there is no logic to, its placement I, mean it.


shrift - Oct 23, 2006 5:13:14 am PDT #4904 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I vaguely remember diagramming sentences in junior high. I was taught by a former nun. Unfortunately some rules of grammar never quite stuck in my brain, which is why I need a Dana.


Amy - Oct 23, 2006 5:14:46 am PDT #4905 of 10001
Because books.

And when I say, there is no logic to, its placement I, mean it.

Oh, that hurts to look at.

I diagrammed sentences in elementary school, but that was it. I learned more about grammar from taking French, I think, in terms of parts of speech and tenses.


megan walker - Oct 23, 2006 5:18:40 am PDT #4906 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Oh, that hurts to look at.

This is why grading fries my brain. And makes the Baby Jesus cry.


sarameg - Oct 23, 2006 5:21:49 am PDT #4907 of 10001

I diagrammed sentences in 1987-88. My teacher was a former marine who had an Abraham Lincoln beard. And there was this weird set of grammar lessons with an alien named Gram Mar.

Honestly, though, the only lessons that really stuck were the ones for french and german. So I'm more likely to be able to identify the parts of speech in a foreign language.

Witnessed human stupidity this morning. Two left turners in a battle of wills, blocking the intersection for at least 2 cycles of the light. Finally went around them, for all I know they are still there. Or someone pulled a gun.


tommyrot - Oct 23, 2006 5:25:40 am PDT #4908 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Heh. I make a post about grammar, leave for work and then there's bunches of Natter posts when I get here.

When I was in grade school, I hated grammar. Now I find it interesting. What's up with that?


Fred Pete - Oct 23, 2006 5:26:10 am PDT #4909 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Born in 1962, never diagrammed sentences. Though kids just ahead of me in school (like, one or two years) did.


tommyrot - Oct 23, 2006 5:28:04 am PDT #4910 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Two left turners in a battle of wills, blocking the intersection for at least 2 cycles of the light.

I'm trying to picture this but failing. Can you make a little ASCII diagram? (OK, it'd probably be easier to describe....)


Connie Neil - Oct 23, 2006 5:29:33 am PDT #4911 of 10001
brillig

I don't remember diagramming sentences. I have no clue what the difference is between transitive and intransitive verbs. My kick-ass high school English teacher ran us through the grammar bits for a semester--probably around '77 or '78--and we all failed. Then we got back to studying Shakespeare as God intended. I can write a good sentence, and I'm good at things like tenses and pronoun agreement and such. But don't ask me what the parts are. I know what sounds right, but I don't know why.