It's because you didn't have a strong father figure isn't it?

Joyce ,'Chosen'


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Jessica - Mar 26, 2007 7:20:25 am PDT #738 of 7329
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

I loved Atia's "much better women than you" speech to Livia.

I was cheering so hard at that! After she'd spent the previous few eps looking so broken and defeated, it was fabulous seeing her get her bitch on again. (The evolution of the Atia/Octavia relationship, there's another I want to rewatch from the beginning.)


erikaj - Mar 26, 2007 7:52:52 am PDT #739 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Season 4 is my favorite, -t. Wow, there is life after McNutty. I didn't expect to feel that way. I'll have to wait forever for Season Five, though. (Speaking of economics getting in the way of the love.)


Cashmere - Mar 26, 2007 8:48:46 am PDT #740 of 7329
Now tagless for your comfort.

the Wikipedia page on the characters of Rome all have comparisons to their historical counterparts.

edited--MOST, not all.


Glamcookie - Mar 26, 2007 10:17:51 am PDT #741 of 7329
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

No more Rome! Nooooo! Loved the entire series. Poor Atia got everything she ever wanted and it ruined her life. The series totally should have ended with Atia staring out and reflecting.


lisah - Mar 27, 2007 3:48:19 am PDT #742 of 7329
Punishingly Intricate

The evolution of the Atia/Octavia relationship, there's another I want to rewatch from the beginning.

Seriously!

I was worried that it would end in much more pain for Pullo. Vorenus had to die, I think, but he was mortally injured while they were fighting together and he made it back to Rome and his children forgave him. And Pullo didn't have to kill his own son (I really thought that was what would go down). so, kind of a happy ending in Rome terms.


erikaj - Mar 27, 2007 9:45:24 am PDT #743 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Rewatching Season Three of The Wire. Bunny Colvin's speech about there being no paper bag for drugs changed me, when I read the extended version in Simon and Burns' The Corner I swear when I started reading that book, and for about halfway through, I was pretty much your standard suburban Democratic cliche(I suppose I was reluctant to consider the ways that I might have to struggle to become a "citizen", right?) Anyway, I spent half the book waiting for Deandre to go back to school and straighten up and fly right, and I suppose I was at least a nominal supporter of the War on Drugs. But about halfway through, there was a click of recognition, and there was no going back.


beekaytee - Mar 27, 2007 11:29:43 am PDT #744 of 7329
Compassionately intolerant

Also? Watch Pullo's eyes through the whole scene with Gaia. He went from love to confusion to horror to hatred to fierce, unyielding resolution in mere seconds, and then followed it with self-loathing and then hatred again. I cannot believe how much he conveyed with his eyes and the set of his mouth without saying a word. Incredible.

This. Absolutely this! What an amazing job.

I completely agree with everyone's Rome comments and am already lamenting the loss.

Ah well. Great tv is great tv. I'd much rather have something high quality end, than something total crap enduring (CSI: Miami, I'm lookin' at you...through dopey shades, with my head tilted Carusoly.)


erikaj - Mar 27, 2007 12:12:45 pm PDT #745 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

Hey...Blue used to be the shit, back in the day. It is true that, in the intervening years, man's let his game get a little weak.(A little weak?[Clay Davis] Sheeit. Dude's been getting by on his Caruso *impression* for five goddamn years, at least. Nice comeback, if you can get it.[/Clay Davis]


esse - Mar 27, 2007 12:53:45 pm PDT #746 of 7329
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

Gosh, this show. I finally got to see the finale tonight, and was just blown away. There was so much good there!

I loved the degeneration of Antony, too. From the dude that had Caesar's back, to a dude with his own bid for power, to a dude waylaid by a chick who ran him down, the actor just knocked it out of the park. That keen, that lowing sound he made when he found out Cleopatra was dead? My god, something shuddered inside of me to hear it. And Vorenus, making him truly Roman at the end when he had gone so far from it. Just magnificent. There is an interesting parallel, there, to how Brutus was changed when he went to (what is now) Turkey. How Romans are still Romans, even far from home.

I liked that speculative look at the end, with Octavia and Agrippa. Maybe, finally, someone could be happy. And geez, Octavian was just...a special young man. Very special. By the end, I do think Max played him better. More calculating, less wrong in the head. But still believeable. And did you notice how similar Octavian and Attia's eyes were? Scary in their cacluatedness.

Poor Cesarian! About to get a crucial blow, just to add to his off-kilter life. I wonder what Pullo's reward was. And poor Vorenus, though I think he was happy at the end, to finally be forgiven (for something he didn't do in the first place!).

Gosh, was this a good show, or what?


beekaytee - Mar 27, 2007 2:05:59 pm PDT #747 of 7329
Compassionately intolerant

By the end, I do think Max played him better. More calculating, less wrong in the head.

Agreed. And yes to the similar eyes...except that Simon Woods has that serial killer star that I found distracting.

Funnily enough, I didn't even remotely recognize him in Starter for 10. Should have, considering that character was nuts too.