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Tom Scola - May 13, 2019 2:32:03 am PDT #7107 of 7329
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WHY was this 40 minute episode 80 minutes long? It's like they had footage of people being hacked to death on a loop.


Laura - May 13, 2019 2:36:34 am PDT #7108 of 7329
Our wings are not tired.

Y'all are making me grateful I only read the books. I may watch at some point, but so far just reading media reports has been good enough.


Tom Scola - May 13, 2019 3:37:17 am PDT #7109 of 7329
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For a little while I actually did get hype, so there's that. Loved it when Qyburn bought it.


Tom Scola - May 13, 2019 4:17:40 am PDT #7110 of 7329
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What I want from the final episode, and I know I won't get:

- Jon NOPES the fuck out, and retreats not only from Kings Landing, but all the way back North, and then keeps going and goes to live in the wildlands with his best bud Tormund and his sidekick Ghost.

- Arya kills Dany. (OK, we'll probably get that one)

- Sansa rules as Queen of the North and also maybe the Vale, focuses on rebuilding her homeland, and the other five or six kingdoms descend into anarchy. (Although it sounds like Dorne will be OK).

- Bran turns into a tree.

- Tyrion used to be my favorite character, but at this point I DGAF what happens to him or any other remaining character.


-t - May 13, 2019 4:23:42 am PDT #7111 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

It's like they had footage of people being hacked to death on a loop.

Don't forget the reels of characters staring at each other silently, or at an unmoving object, or into empty space. Quite a lot of that as well.


DavidS - May 13, 2019 5:17:44 am PDT #7112 of 7329
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I have to separate two different responses to the episode.

First, I think is looking at Dany's heel-turn within the larger arc of the show. I know a lot of people felt betrayed by that. But there were plenty of indicators that her will to rule was even bigger than her sense of mission (free the slaves! Break the wheel!), and that she could be utterly ruthless. I do think this is probably Martin's plan with her but as he writes from inside a character's POV it won't seem so abrupt or unearned.

I don't think it was out of character and I don't think it was in response to Missandei being killed but rather the culmination of her being increasingly isolated. Losing her close confidantes in Jorah and Missandei. Being betrayed by Varys (and really Tyrion). Losing two dragons. Losing a lot of her Dothroki and Unsullied troops defending Winterfell and then treated like shit by the North. And ultimately Jon's rejection of her (and also his betrayal by telling Sansa and Arya of his parentage) nudged her to rule by fear.

The other perspective is to consider how the episode was shot/directed/written on its own. And in that case I thought it was far more effective than The Long Night, or The Last of the Starks. I thought Clegane Bowl was spectacular and horrifying and ended that particular arc well. I thought Sandor and Arya's scenes were effective and had enough weight to turn Arya off her path of vengeance. I was glad they decided to show the slaughter on the ground from Arya's POV. It really reminded me of how Syria has been destroyed, but also there were clear callbacks to 9/11 (in the ashes floating down and the plaster streaked faces).

Also, the characterizations were less driven by stupid plot convenience and more in line with what we've seen. Jaime's redemption arc comes up short because his love/obsession/sickness with Cersei is who is. And he made that decision when he left Brienne.

Tyrion used to be somebody who drank and knew things. Then he stopped drinking and became stupid. WTF with him thinking Cersei would be happy scuttling off to Pentos with Jaime and living in a hut with a one-handed fisherman? His scenes with Jaime were affecting but another betrayal of Dany which will probably get him burninated. And for what? To let a psycho and a pussywhipped fuckup die together?

Are we supposed to believe Cersei and Jaime died in that scene? I suppose it will be revealed in the rubble next week one way or the other.

Things I Want To See Next Week But Won't

Bran jumps up out of his chair and yells "Psych!" Then tapdances down to the nearest ship and heads to Essos where he becomes a tree, but a tropical one with tasty fruit. He only wargs into parrots and becomes a real sassy bitch committing gossip all over town.

Yara seduces Brienne amidst the sounds of much squeaky leather and cute-awkward scenes of their sheaths getting entangled.

Thormund bandaging up Ghost's ear and saying, "Who's a good boy?! Who's a good boy?!" while Ghost's tongue lolls out as he gets scritches.

Sansa converting Winterfell into a stylish ski resort with a cable driven skyway running all the way to the Great Wall. She keeps the armor like black outfits because they set off her hair and basically turns into a younger Oleanna.

Arya runs away and joins a theatrical troupe in Essos where she becomes the premiere drag king attraction in the land, taking a series of boytoy lovers.

Gendry and Jon settle into paunchy middle aged white guy dulldom, take to wearing khakis and polo shirts and punching each other in the arm affectionately during jousting matches, then turning away and getting misty eyed over their lost loves.


Katerina Bee - May 13, 2019 7:00:38 am PDT #7113 of 7329
Herding cats for fun

Thanks for putting all that into my imagination.

Mmmm, mangoes and gossip.


-t - May 13, 2019 7:14:52 am PDT #7114 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I have been thinking that Dany has lost her closest advisors and her bad decisions probably have something to do with that for a few episodes, now, but she's razing her own city. King's Landing has been a monument to the Targaryen dominion over Westeros since its founding. She has historically had a better intuitive grasp of symbolism than that.


Tom Scola - May 13, 2019 7:15:51 am PDT #7115 of 7329
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She has historically had a better intuitive grasp of symbolism than that.

She's finishing the job her father started.


Jessica - May 13, 2019 7:17:55 am PDT #7116 of 7329
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

King's Landing has been a monument to the Targaryen dominion over Westeros since its founding. She has historically had a better intuitive grasp of symbolism than that.

Right? I even said out loud while I was watching "Um, wasn't that the castle you wanted to live in...?"

On a positive note, I thought the music in last night's ep was really fantastic.