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'The Killer In Me'


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-t - Jun 10, 2015 11:39:36 am PDT #6343 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

When Shireen and...someone were discussing how she was cured, I think it was mentioned that "nobody knows" what worked on her (because they were trying so many things at once? Not sure) and that's why she's the only one who has ever been cured. I'm 85% sure I'm remembering that from the show and not the books, mostly because my memory of the books is getting hazy and I remember visuals.

I think you are both right about Stannis. He believes Melisandre is his path to the throne, and the throne is his destiny, so he will do whatever she says. But I agree that sacrificing Shireen is a watershed and now he might be more willing to do terrible things (or even break rules which really fucks with my understanding of who Stannis is but I would think "don't kill your daughter" would be as vital a rule for him as "don't steal" and "don't claim thrones your brother has more right to" so who knows what he's about anymore?!) even before Melisandre tells him he must.


Tom Scola - Jun 10, 2015 11:42:14 am PDT #6344 of 7329
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Didn't Stannis already kill his brother?


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2015 11:45:18 am PDT #6345 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Technically, his shadow killed Renly. It's unclear exactly how much Stannis knew about how that was going to happen -- my impression is that he had some idea, but chose to not ask about the details. And that was in the context of war -- Renly was challenging his claim to the throne.


-t - Jun 10, 2015 11:51:36 am PDT #6346 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yeah, but that's my point, Renly was in the wrong in Stannis' mind. His getting killed was on a par with Davos losing his fingers. Just.


Tom Scola - Jun 10, 2015 11:53:28 am PDT #6347 of 7329
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From another forum: "Stannis is so Lawful Neutral he shits Modrons".


kat perez - Jun 10, 2015 12:56:43 pm PDT #6348 of 7329
"We have trust issues." Mylar

Yeah, I'm not sure how much Stannis knew about what Melisandre was planning to do with the shadow baby they made. That said, I also think he'd definitely chalk Renly's death up to a casualty of war. I mean, had they met on the field of battle and Renly not surrendered to him, I don't doubt Stannis would've cut him down if he'd had the chance. That falls in line with who I thought he was. Killing Shireen, though. I mean, she's not an enemy combatant. She's not a criminal. She's not even an adult. She's a child and his daughter and he loved her (I never got the sense that he cared much for his brothers). That's cold, man.


Trudy Booth - Jun 10, 2015 3:10:07 pm PDT #6349 of 7329
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Stannis was actively at war with his brother, wasn't he? Killing him seems par for the course.


Trudy Booth - Jun 10, 2015 3:10:12 pm PDT #6350 of 7329
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Stannis was actively at war with his brother, wasn't he? Killing him seems par for the course.


Hil R. - Jun 10, 2015 3:14:41 pm PDT #6351 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, Stannis going by Stannis's rules would have killed him on the battlefield, not in his tent.


-t - Jun 10, 2015 4:44:25 pm PDT #6352 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

True.