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§ ita § - May 13, 2014 6:20:51 pm PDT #5852 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The Iron Throne doesn't have sovereignty over Slaver's Bay, does it?

No, but I assume if she did it right, she'd be more powerful. Or would it be one more example of "once you've beaten it you have to stay with it"?

Can't other people lead her armies back to the Bay while she sics one of her dragons on her Westeros detractors?

It doesn't make sense for Oberyn to be a Stark, otherwise why would the Lannister daughter be sent there for safekeeping. Do we know of any Stark or Tully relatives other than crazy attachment parenting lady?


DebetEsse - May 13, 2014 6:20:57 pm PDT #5853 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Oberyn is of the royal house of Dorne, who are not related to anyone, really, except that they did intermarry with the Targaryens a lot, back in the day. He's from the opposite end of the continent from the Starks, and probably particularly dislikes them, as his sister's (the dead one he keeps bringing up) husband (dead prince Rhaegar) left her for Ned Stark's sister (Now also dead, but who are we to let that stop us from holding a grudge?).

Slaver's Bay is in Essos, across the sea from Westeros (to the east. Isn't George clever.), though on the same continent as where Stannis is/recently was (Braavos), which is the same city where Arya's fighting teacher was from. Essos is not a single political entity in the way the seven kingdoms of Westeros are (to the extent that they are...) it's more the Classical Greek and Italian city-state model.


DebetEsse - May 13, 2014 6:25:06 pm PDT #5854 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Do we know of any Stark or Tully relatives other than crazy attachment parenting lady?

Ned's brother Benjen disappeared north of the Wall back in season...1? He's the only other close kin

Truly-wise, the big ones are the Blackfish, last seen leaving just before the Red Wedding got bloody to take a piss. Also, shit...what'shisname who can't shoot a bow for shit and was the one getting married to the Frey girl at the Red Wedding. He is, I believe, currently captive of the Freys. He's also useful (at least till he has an heir), as he's Lord of Riverrun.


Sean K - May 13, 2014 8:16:37 pm PDT #5855 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also, Slaver's Bay is much further away than the nearer cities like Braavos or Pentos (the city Dany was in at the very beginning of the show). Essos is a very big place. It's essentially the Eurasian continent, so it is appropriately sized.


Sean K - May 13, 2014 8:17:32 pm PDT #5856 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Also, shit...what'shisname who can't shoot a bow for shit and was the one getting married to the Frey girl at the Red Wedding.

Edmure.


DebetEsse - May 14, 2014 6:40:14 am PDT #5857 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Essos geography is not my strong suit. I'm gonna need a couple of maps when I do my retread this winter.

Yeah, I remembered Edmure's name this morning. Of course.


Sean K - May 14, 2014 7:15:23 am PDT #5858 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I would very much LOVE to have a gorgeous wall sized map of all of the known SOIAF world. Although everything that is not Westeros or Slaver's Bay is unofficial and speculative.


DebetEsse - May 14, 2014 7:17:14 am PDT #5859 of 7329
Woe to the fucking wicked.

There's not even a map in The World of Ice and Fire? Huh


§ ita § - May 14, 2014 10:54:53 am PDT #5860 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wonder if someone can/has put together a 2D map from all the show promos.


Hil R. - May 14, 2014 11:02:52 am PDT #5861 of 7329
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I think the hardcover of Dance With Dragons had a fairly detailed map on the inside cover, but I don't have it with me right now to check.