But she was naked! And all... articulate!

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Premium Cable: The Cursing Costs Extra

[NAFDA] A thread for the discussion of all original programming on HBO, Showtime, Starz and other premium channels.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


le nubian - Jul 21, 2013 11:18:01 am PDT #5415 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I love the most upvoted comment:

Did they not forget Theon Greyjoy's penis?

I am so glad they didn't show scenes from the Red Wedding in that. I am done with the ep for awhile.


§ ita § - Jul 22, 2013 11:25:22 am PDT #5416 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

OK, having just finished the season, I'm not sure I'm getting the objection here

Because I will not treat a doll like it's a person? Most people over anthropomorphise their pets for me--when it's something with your hand up its butt, I would have set it on fire way before she loses it at the end of the season, and I would not indulge her.

On the flip side, the ventriloquist doll was fucking hysterical. But I would also have punched them both in the face if I'd watched the show much later, and with less of a magical suspension of disbelief.


Jessica - Jul 26, 2013 12:23:56 pm PDT #5417 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Have we decided Netflix is Premium? Because I need to know why nobody is talking about the pure unfiltered awesomeness that is Orange Is The New Black.


§ ita § - Jul 26, 2013 12:44:45 pm PDT #5418 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hemlock Grove was discussed here, so I guess OitNB is here too.

The only discussion I've seen of that show was Jasika Nicole being grumpy that a show is finally set somewhere totally black-dominated and the lead is still white. How does the rest of the cast tally up to actual demographics?


Sean K - Jul 26, 2013 12:53:52 pm PDT #5419 of 7329
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I have not watched OitNB yet, but I keep hearing it is awesome.


le nubian - Jul 26, 2013 1:11:54 pm PDT #5420 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

so, IMO:

1) I like that the cast is pretty diverse generally, but the lead actress is really fucking irritating at times (which I suppose is part of the point), but a fraction of the time her storyline or performance stops the momentum of the show dead.

2) between flashbacks and other shit, the lead's personality can vary wildly. There was one ep (~ep 9 or 10) where I honestly wondered if they were going for a multiple personality disorder thing or something because I did not understand her acting choices at all.

3) there were some statements made about prison life in ep 1 that are constantly violated in subsequent episodes. I get that this is supposed to be a comedy/dramedy but it hits realism very rarely. The prisoners are OFTEN unsupervised, there is very little physical threat to the inmates (in general).

I'm not looking for Oz for women or anything, but the way they deal with stakes is uneven.

4) American Pie guy who plays her fiancé is someone I just want to punch in the fucking face.

I have about 1-2 eps left I think.


Jessica - Jul 26, 2013 1:51:38 pm PDT #5421 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The only discussion I've seen of that show was Jasika Nicole being grumpy that a show is finally set somewhere totally black-dominated and the lead is still white.

She's the lead because the show is loosely based on real-her's memoir, but she's not the POV character in every ep. Structurally it's kind of similar to S1 of Lost.


§ ita § - Jul 26, 2013 2:34:09 pm PDT #5422 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She's the lead because the show is loosely based on real-her's memoir

For Jasika's record, she wasn't criticising the author's choice, since, you know, memoir. But that plenty of black people write memoirs about shit, and so rarely do we get those to screen.

It's depressing what rare birds Kerry Washington and Maggie Q are.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 26, 2013 2:59:06 pm PDT #5423 of 7329
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

At least Megan Rath is in the mix too.


Jessica - Jul 26, 2013 4:01:02 pm PDT #5424 of 7329
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But that plenty of black people write memoirs about shit, and so rarely do we get those to screen.

That's a totally fair point. I do think the show does a decent job of spotlighting mostly non-white characters, even if it does inevitably circle back to Piper's story in the end.