I got stupid. The money was too good.

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[NAFDA] A thread for the discussion of all original programming on HBO, Showtime, Starz and other premium channels.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2011 7:23:59 am PDT #3343 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

So, I have HBO now for Game of Thrones and have been poking around. True Blood was incomprehensible whining. I'm watching Treme right now, and it's a mix of "That's where they went?!?!" and horrible terrible New Orleans nostalgia. It doesn't help that the only time I go back is for funerals.

I also stumbled onto an interesting Publicly Speaking with Fran Lebowitz. Anything else I should be taking advantage of while I have the HBO in my house?


sumi - Apr 25, 2011 7:34:54 am PDT #3344 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

I think that they needed to speed up the time between when Dany marries Drogo and when she starts to figure herself and become more of an equal partner.

Sophia Turner's family adopted Lady after the filming. (Sophia Turner plays Sansa.) The picture is of Sophia, Maisie (Arya) and Isaac (Bran) with Lady. Apparently, the three kids became friends on set and have continued to get together.


erikaj - Apr 25, 2011 8:03:27 am PDT #3345 of 7329
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm torn about Davis/Annie, Barb. They are cute together and Annie deserves more than Sonny's retrograde "Star Is Born" bullshit, but I still have a soft spot for Davis/Jeannette(the chef) ita, I watch too much on HBO now that I have it.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2011 8:06:41 am PDT #3346 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that they needed to speed up the time between when Dany marries Drogo and when she starts to figure herself and become more of an equal partner.

But why start out extra rapey?


le nubian - Apr 25, 2011 8:11:54 am PDT #3347 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

not having read the books I would guess:

a) so that her transformation into a strong character later would have more impact

b) so that his "transformation" into a character who is articulate, sweet and tender would have more impact


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2011 8:36:17 am PDT #3348 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think rape should always have a really good reason, and I think that the character transitions I've seen in the books so far, just getting him into the bridal bed, and the transition they make there, and her acceptance--that's pretty damned big.

Twelve people die at his wedding, but he's not the full on beast you think that makes him. I liked that transition more than I like the transition of yet another woman falling for her rapist.

It's possible that in a week with Vampire Diaries, I'm over that.


Amy - Apr 25, 2011 10:28:15 am PDT #3349 of 7329
Because books.

I want to see more of Cersei's backstory, or something. She's the only one who seems one-note evil at this point -- I can at least see where Danyerys's brother has specific vengeance in mind, and wanting his own kingdom back. Cersei just seems flatly reprehensible aside from the moment of grief over her own dead son, and I couldn't tell whether she was just playing at that or not.

I liked that transition more than I like the transition of yet another woman falling for her rapist.

I read it as women of that time (which is standing in for medieval society for me) believing that their husbands have the right to take, and they don't have the right to refuse. She hated it, yes, but she seemed resigned to it, too, or that's the way I read her expression, at least.


-t - Apr 25, 2011 10:50:56 am PDT #3350 of 7329
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I agree that the changes made to Drogo and Daenarys's sex life from the book to TV are not an improvement. It's a peculiar choice.


§ ita § - Apr 25, 2011 11:13:14 am PDT #3351 of 7329
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But in the book, he doesn't rape her. She's still his property, and sex is definitely going to happen, but she consents. I don't think it takes away from either his arc as I'm guessing it, or hers, to just not have him rape her that first time.


Amy - Apr 25, 2011 11:14:16 am PDT #3352 of 7329
Because books.

Since I haven't read the book, I had no idea. And it was a grim scene, which makes last night's a little less palatable.