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tiggy - Aug 02, 2010 9:55:30 am PDT #2954 of 7329
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

I had to fastforward the dogfighting bits. i'm not happy that the show went there.

also unhappy with the Claudine reveal. way too cheesy and over the top. does this mean that Claudine is only ever going to be seen when Sookie is unconscious? i hope not.

i'm unsurprised that they just had Bill feeding on Sookie and not {book spoiler} also raping her. since Alan Ball has such a hard-on for Sookie/Bill. it's kind of a point of no return for the character.

this was probably my least favorite of the eps this season. Pam, Eric and Tara notwithstanding. Sookie is pretty much too stupid to live.


le nubian - Aug 02, 2010 9:59:48 am PDT #2955 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

tiggy, (re:spoiler) WTF...?

can you explain in white font WTF Bill did that?


tiggy - Aug 02, 2010 10:05:50 am PDT #2956 of 7329
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

it was the same general idea from the show, le n. {book spoiler} Sookie saves him and is in the trunk of the car with him. he wakes up filled with bloodlust, attacks her and while he's in the frenzy he rapes her. i think she eventually gets through to him and he realizes what he's done, but she's done. she breaks up with him at the end of that book and rescinds both he and Eric's invitation to her house.

sidenote: the description of what happens in these books when a vamp's invitation is rescinded while they're still in the house still makes me giggle. would LOVE to see it depicted onscreen.


sumi - Aug 02, 2010 10:06:56 am PDT #2957 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

He raped her and fed on her when Debbie Pelt locked him and Sookie in a car trunk together.

That was one of the big changes that Alan Ball made and I'm sure that it's for just the reason that tiggy stated. Although, I am sure that for many people attempting to murder you is also a point of no return, you know?


sumi - Aug 02, 2010 10:07:52 am PDT #2958 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Oh, maybe Tara will rescind Franklin's invitation. (Because I can't believe he's actually really, most sincerely dead.)


tiggy - Aug 02, 2010 10:11:37 am PDT #2959 of 7329
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

oh...there's no way he's dead! that would be fun to see! i can see him kicking and screaming while it's happening. hee!!


sumi - Aug 02, 2010 10:13:01 am PDT #2960 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

Maybe it will happen the way it happened to Mickey in the books - because he is kind of like that character, isn't he? (The book Franklin is kind of a cypher.)


sumi - Aug 02, 2010 10:14:47 am PDT #2961 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

tiggy is the book after this one the one where a spell is put on Eric and he winds up at Sookie's house and Jason is kidnapped ?


le nubian - Aug 02, 2010 10:19:32 am PDT #2962 of 7329
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

sumi (not tiggy), but I think so because I read spoilers of that elsewhere.

sumi & tiggy - thanks for the explanation. Can you indulge me? What is the author's intent with that action re: Bill & Sookie?

was it to make Bill a less sympathetic character and thus remind the reading audience that vampires are not sweet and cuddly? Or did she have another intent like: getting Sookie together with another character?


sumi - Aug 02, 2010 10:22:22 am PDT #2963 of 7329
Art Crawl!!!

I think that the author unlike Alan Ball doesn't think that Bill & Sookie are forever. I'm not even totally sure that she thinks that Sookie her current lover in the books are forever. The end of the last book makes me wonder that. Therefore, after creating a situation where they are in love and it's against the wishes of all of her people, i.e., the living, she finds a way to plausibly push them apart - makes Bill do something unforgivable and given the timeframe (everything happens really close together in these books) there is no way she would forgive him in the span of the books and it's amazing that she recovers as well as she does. Sookie is pretty resiliant.