I don't like vampires. I'm gonna take a stand and say they're not good.

Xander ,'Beneath You'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Beverly - Mar 29, 2007 7:09:47 pm PDT #9101 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I KNOW.


Ailleann - Mar 29, 2007 7:13:49 pm PDT #9102 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

And now I'm watching The Scene in Asylum, and Sam's wearing a black undershirt. K might be on to something.

HE PULLED THE TRIGGER. FOUR. TIMES. Still so very OMGWTFSAM.


Ailleann - Mar 29, 2007 7:18:02 pm PDT #9103 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

OK, I'm going to stop serial squeeing and go to bed. This was excellent, folks. Definitely worth staying up for.


Beverly - Mar 29, 2007 7:20:03 pm PDT #9104 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Both their faces when they see their mom.

Dean pulling the lamp cord off Sam's neck and grabbing him up before his noggin hits the floor.


Anne W. - Mar 30, 2007 1:15:36 am PDT #9105 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

The DVD W&P is a bit late for my schedule, but I enjoy following along the next morning. I've been catching up on S1, and thanks to those who recommended watching Home and Asylum back to back. Home just about undid me, especially the scene where Dean snuck off to make the phone call to Dad.


Morgana - Mar 30, 2007 11:32:14 am PDT #9106 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

See, all the unanswered phone calls to Dad, and the increasing frustration and anxiety and fear on the part of the boys just keep adding to my certainty that Papa Winchester just both sucks and blows at being a dad. Yes, Jeffrey Dean Morgan is hot. Yes, Dad Winchester taught them to shoot guns and throw knives and lay salt lines and be paranoid. But for me personally, I really dislike the character. Dean, the obedient son and perfect soldier calls in tears begging for help, and Dad ignores him? Sam calls to tell him Dean is dying and Dad ignores him? Can't even be bothered to return a phone call? Well, fuck you too, Dad. I have to say I sided with Sam on all those bitch-fits about blindly following orders he was throwing at the end of season one. Not to mention John abandoning them as children on a regular basis. That's a whole 'nother rant. I wasn't really sorry when John died, other than for the effect on Dean and Sam.

Dean pulling the lamp cord off Sam's neck and grabbing him up before his noggin hits the floor.

Next week's episode has a really nice moment after (it's a repeat, so I'm not spoiling anything here) Sam clocks Gordon and unties Dean. Dean, who has been knocked around some himself, gets to his feet and examines Sam, cupping his face and then swearing furiously as he turns, intending to kill Gordon for hurting Sam. I like protective big brothers. Probably comes from being an only child.


Beverly - Mar 30, 2007 12:06:03 pm PDT #9107 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Probably from a parent's perspective, I like John quite a lot. I think he did the best he could under difficult circumstances. He was there in Lawrence in Home, I believe he sent Joshua the information to pass on to Sam about the healer in Faith. I think he felt he was a lightning rod for the YED, and he wanted to stay away from his family to protect them, but I do believe he was keeping tabs on and sending them information to help as well as he could.

I know this is a bone of contention within the fandom not unlike Ray wars, and I don't want to escalate a disagreement here. But I do disagree with an assessment of John, hot or not, as an uncaring parent who sadistically abused his children.


P.M. Marc - Mar 30, 2007 12:22:40 pm PDT #9108 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I ache for John, who wanted so much to be the parent he could have, should have been, had things been different. I don't think he ever expected it would take the rest of his life, that the war wouldn't end on his watch.

What was it Dean said in Faith? He'd seen what evil does to good people? I think that applies to John. Mary's death and everything that followed, everything he learned, turned him into someone who couldn't set aside the mission, because if he turned his back or fell asleep for a moment (in his view), he'd lose what little he had left to the evils lurking out there.

John's highly flawed, but I love the character to bits.


Morgana - Mar 30, 2007 12:43:52 pm PDT #9109 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

a bone of contention within the fandom not unlike Ray wars

What are the Ray wars?

I believe he sent Joshua the information to pass on to Sam about the healer in Faith

I haven't watched Faith recently. Is there anything to support that conclusion? (Seriously, other than wishful thinking to somehow include John in the rescue of Dean?)

I don't want to escalate a disagreement here

I wasn't intending to start any sort of flame war. And it would be foolish to expect everyone to have to same opinion about every issue -- surely (stop calling me Shirley!) we can all be adult enough to have opinions and discuss them without resorting to the name-calling and hairpulling I've seen other places? The ability of everyone to remain mostly civil, and the fairly consistent good spelling have been the things I value most about this board. (Really. There are places out there where people are totally incapable of forming complete sentences and have apparently never learned how to spell or use spell-check.)


§ ita § - Mar 30, 2007 12:45:53 pm PDT #9110 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What are the Ray wars?

Due South. Two Rays (both with their own appeal), one replacing the other. Wank ensues.