Oh wow, I totally disagree. Baltar spent the past year HOPING he was a Cylon because then he wouldn't have to feel guilty about all the things he's done. Yes, he rationalizes it all away, but people who don't think they've done anything wrong don't need to rationalize their behavior.
That's disturbing. You're emotionally scarred and will end up badly.
Anya ,'Bring On The Night'
Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."
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Strega - Mar 28, 2007 4:44:10 am PDT #8915 of 10001
Jessica - Mar 28, 2007 4:51:15 am PDT #8916 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Yes, he rationalizes it all away, but people who don't think they've done anything wrong don't need to rationalize their behavior.
Hm. I agree with this too. Curses.
Micole - Mar 28, 2007 4:57:32 am PDT #8917 of 10001
I've been working on a song about the difference between analogy and metaphor.
But (and I love him above all other TV royalty) his complete list of titles and honors reads: His Royal Highness The Prince Joss, Prince of Misdirect and Earl of Retcon, Duke of Dropped Threads, Baron of Changed Minds and Prince and Great Steward of Handwaving.
Cindy is still my favorite.
Strega - Mar 28, 2007 5:02:27 am PDT #8918 of 10001
Curses.
I win!
...neener.
Beverly - Mar 28, 2007 5:12:16 am PDT #8919 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
Does anybody know if Life on Mars S2 will be run (eventually) on BBCA?
Topic!Cindy - Mar 28, 2007 5:24:00 am PDT #8920 of 10001
What is even happening?
Cindy is still my favorite.
MICOLE! I haven't seen you (well, here -- I've seen you elsewhere) in far too long.
Oh wow, I totally disagree. Baltar spent the past year HOPING he was a Cylon because then he wouldn't have to feel guilty about all the things he's done. Yes, he rationalizes it all away, but people who don't think they've done anything wrong don't need to rationalize their behavior.
I think the thing about Baltar's conscience is that it's not particularly useful to him or others. The fear of feeling guilty is useful when it deters a person from making bad choices or performing bad acts. Experiencing guilt after an event is useful, when it teaches a person something about his choices that inspires positive change, and/or when it inspires the person to make amends for his wrong.
Guilt itself is only an emotion -- it's a by-product of conscience, but if it doesn't motivate any positive actions, it's one of the less useful aspects of the conscience. In fact, a person can end up acting worse because he feels so guilty, he thinks he's a lost cause (e.g. Baltar deciding/hoping he's a Cylon).
Ash - Mar 28, 2007 5:39:37 am PDT #8921 of 10001
All of this is reminding me why (besides the performance) I love watching this character so much. He does fascinate, what with his brooding, soggy intensity and wondering what's going on beneath his many faces.
sumi - Mar 28, 2007 5:56:34 am PDT #8922 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
"brooding, soggy intensity"
That's great!!! Such a perfect description.
Liese S. - Mar 28, 2007 6:35:37 am PDT #8923 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
You know what I love about this thread? Getting confused when toast comes up (and it does) in various contexts. What happens if someone converts someone to a BSG fan on the basis of loving the Cylons? Do they get a toaster toaster?
eta: This is probably a good time to go get my coffee, huh?
Dana - Mar 28, 2007 7:11:01 am PDT #8924 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Aside from the fact that I really couldn't wait for SGA to return in April, I'm so glad I downloaded the episodes, because GIANT IDIOTS in the fandom will not stop posting spoilers. I'm about ready to nuke them from orbit.