Also, you can tell it's not gonna have a happy ending when the main guy's all bumpy.

Tara ,'First Date'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

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Theodosia - Feb 20, 2007 3:31:00 am PST #6950 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I so very much hope we haven't seen the last of not-seeing Claude. He and Peter should have a fistfight every week.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 20, 2007 3:40:28 am PST #6951 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I so very much hope we haven't seen the last of not-seeing Claude. He and Peter should have a fistfight every week.

Given his prominence in Peter's revised dream, I think that's a relatively safe bet. I'm still curious if his glee over Peter's impending-go-boom in the dream means something as that's not the attitude he's shown in real life towards NY annihilation. Could it be he's teaching Peter to tap his powers so that he WILL go boom?


victor infante - Feb 20, 2007 3:53:35 am PST #6952 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Given his prominence in Peter's revised dream, I think that's a relatively safe bet.

That dream's been on my mind since last night, partially because Simone's rather prominent in it, as is Dr. Where. So I'm not entirely sure if we've seen the last of either of them. Or Ando, for that matter.

Somehow, I don't think the future is changed already. So that means that scene likely still happens. (Doesn't mean, however, that the vision's not misleading.)

And in addition to Claude, the vision also had Nikki, D.L., Michah and Matt -- none of whom Peter's met yet -- and PresentDay!Hiro, whom Peter hasn't met in this incarnation, and has no way to know he dresses in random NerdWear that's sent to him via the NerdWear of the Week Club.

I'm still curious if his glee over Peter's impending-go-boom in the dream means something as that's not the attitude he's shown in real life towards NY annihilation. Could it be he's teaching Peter to tap his powers so that he WILL go boom?

I somehow doubt it. I think that was the laugh of "Well, we're buggered, aren't we?"


Zenkitty - Feb 20, 2007 7:29:34 am PST #6953 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Am I right in thinking Peter can only use one power at a time? As in, can't fly while invisible?


Kate P. - Feb 20, 2007 7:29:46 am PST #6954 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

You guys, I'm sad Simone is dead! I liked her. Furthermore, I'm not too pleased with the way that women continue to die in droves on this show. We've already lost Eden, Charlie, Jackie, Ted's wife, Simone, and that awesome mechanic with the super hearing, and it looks like Mrs. Bennet may be a goner as well. I know men have died too (Zane Taylor, Papa Suresh... who else?), but there aren't nearly as many women on the show as men to begin with, or at least not in major roles or with powers. It bugs me, and I wish they'd strike a better balance. A couple more women with powers would be AWESOME. Ooh, maybe Simone will turn out to have the power of returning from the dead, or something.

WORD on the scary awesomeness of Peter, and the love for his fight with Claude. Claude's gotta come back! He clearly has a lot of backstory with Mr. Bennet, so he needs to come back so we can hear the whole story.

I figured they located them with the infrared goggles, THEN the Haitian blocked Claude's power so that they were visible.

Can the Haitian block anyone's powers? I thought his abilities only had to do with the mind, so that he can block Matt's mind-reading and Eden's pushing, but not more physical powers like flight and invisibility.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 20, 2007 7:44:30 am PST #6955 of 10001
What is even happening?

Kate, I liked Simone, too. Poor Simone.


Vonnie K - Feb 20, 2007 7:47:19 am PST #6956 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I know men have died too (Zane Taylor, Papa Suresh... who else?)

There was that guy with telekinesis Sylar killed in "Six Months Earlier," Brian something. Plus all the men Jessica off'ed, who don't really count. Simone's father, of natural causes. I do concur with your grumbles about all the dead women though. The numbers of deaths aren't that different, but since female characters were underrepresented to begin with, these deaths feel more weighty. Plus, Eden, Charlie, and Simone all had substantial recurring roles (I know Eden's exit was compelled by the actress's contractural issues, but still), not just one-offs like Zane Taylor. It's a good thing they introduced Hana in this episode, otherwise I'd have lots more to complain about.

I thought his abilities only had to do with the mind, so that he can block Matt's mind-reading and Eden's pushing, but not more physical powers like flight and invisibility.

I thought he was there with Eden when she mind-whammied Sylar so that Sylar's abilities could be blocked first, then Eden's Pusher-mojo could work on him. Also, if he couldn't block Peter's and Claude's abilities, why bring him to New York?


tiggy - Feb 20, 2007 7:49:48 am PST #6957 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

he blocked Sylar and he's one powerful mofo.


Frankenbuddha - Feb 20, 2007 8:11:13 am PST #6958 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It's a good thing they introduced Hana in this episode, otherwise I'd have lots more to complain about.

Did they demonstrate her having a power during the ep and I missed it, or is she still an unknown quantity?


§ ita § - Feb 20, 2007 8:11:30 am PST #6959 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't care a whit about sexual equality if it would keep Simone on the show. She's just there to be pretty and breathy and fought over. She has very little positive or dramatic agency on the show. Object of desire. Over that.

I wonder--can Peter only use powers he knows about? Suppose he stood next to someone by mistake--or, say, all of Sylar's other powers, ones he didn't use in their fight. Would be interesting in stressful situations.