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Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Kate P. - Dec 11, 2006 5:20:38 am PST #4433 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

t lone Kat fan lights a candle for her passing

Not saying she was ever my favorite, either, but I did like her character a lot more than most people, it seems. I liked that she was tough but always a little insecure about it, always needing to prove herself. I liked her rivalry with Starbuck. I liked her big mouth. I'm actually going to miss her.


shrift - Dec 11, 2006 5:36:45 am PST #4434 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I watched the new Torchwood last night. Or rather I should say that I fast-forwarded through Torchwood last night, because I found the POV character to be so profoundly irritating that I wanted to stab him in the face. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up shut up SHUT UP.

Could've just been a bad mood, I guess. Might try watching it again. Did like Gwen a whole bunch in the episode, which was nice.


amych - Dec 11, 2006 5:37:03 am PST #4435 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I never disliked Kat, but I didn't feel like she was enough of a character for me to really like her either; she was The One Starbuck Bitched At, in much the same way that Anders is The One Starbuck Luuurrrved (well, maybe), and in both cases, I feel like instead of developing characters they were telling me "look how you're being set up to feel about this character!".

I'm a sucker for the big damn hero deaths of characters I disliked, in all their Timmy "I'll make you like her and then kill her" glory, but this was more like a "let's watch how the puppetmaster sets up the story". And it was fine puppetmastering, but not an ep where I could stop seeing the strings.


Kate P. - Dec 11, 2006 5:52:16 am PST #4436 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Or rather I should say that I fast-forwarded through Torchwood last night, because I found the

I liked the POV character, but I can see why he irritates. I thought he was a vast improvement over Elton from the last DW ep to air in the US, which I mention because the two episodes are so similar that when I started watching "Random Shoes" I almost turned it off when I realized it was basically "Love and Monsters" all over again. But I ended up liking it much better than "Love and Monsters" -- perhaps due to the lack of giant hammy Fat Bastard-like grossout monster -- so I'm glad I stuck with it.


shrift - Dec 11, 2006 5:59:02 am PST #4437 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'll have to give the episode another chance when I'm less stressed by deadlines and holidays.


Theodosia - Dec 11, 2006 6:08:51 am PST #4438 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'm glad I didn't try to watch the episode this morning, beyond the beginning teaser, anyway. I'm not at my comprehending best.


§ ita § - Dec 11, 2006 6:57:17 am PST #4439 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I found the Torchwood ep showed character growth over time. Eugene isn't the same guy at the end--not only because we learn more about him as the plot goes on. I initially thought of it as similar to that DW episode, but then not really. It becomes a lot about Eugene, and a bit about Gwen. Very little about Torchwood or their mission.


WindSparrow - Dec 11, 2006 8:36:48 am PST #4440 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Must. Not. Read. Whitefont.


sumi - Dec 11, 2006 9:17:38 am PST #4441 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

More interview with Jane Espenson -- this one is about the episode.

On edit: it includes a teeny-tiny spoiler for another episode. The title and generally what it's about.


sumi - Dec 11, 2006 12:08:43 pm PST #4442 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Heroes: I wonder if the MBG or Haitian (what are we calling him now?) NOT replacing lost time with other memories is a form of protest at what he is doing? Or just means that he can't add fake memories - just erase the ones that are there.