Zoe: Uh huh. River, honey? He's putting the hair away now. River: It'll still be there... waiting.

'Jaynestown'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


machall - Nov 16, 2006 11:32:29 pm PST #3754 of 10001
"Would you mind not farting while I'm saving the world?" - Doctor Who

Mr. Benett's speech to Issac was:

"For many years now a number of us have been tracking, locating, monitoring people like you. Sometimes the process goes smoothly, as in your case, and other times...well, let's just say people misinterpret our motives and then it can go very wrong.

Fourteen years ago there was just such a case which sadly ended in a death. A woman left behind a baby girl that had no one to take care of her. My wife and I had been having a hard time conceiving a child of our own at the time. It was like God had reached down and given us a miracle.

Issac, this is my daughter we're talking about. I'm begging you."

The man definately believes he's on the side of the angels. He helped Issac get clean. He spared the quarterback's life even though he deserved much worse for assaulting Claire. He wants to stop Sylar and the bombing.

He's also believes that the ends justify the means. Kidnappings and mind wipes are routine. He's willing to abuse Eden's trust and use her to turn Issac into a junkie again to save his daughter and others.

The comparison to The Operative is a good one. He is a believer.

OWI reminds me of tales of the CIA during the Cold War. Plenty of morally questionable things were done in the name of freedom and national security. The greater good was served, but the victory is tainted.


sumi - Nov 17, 2006 4:01:54 am PST #3755 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Excellent SPN complete with EVIL promos. Evil.

Very amusing Smallville. I LAUGHED at the OTP proposal room -- two entire hedges of blooming rose bushes and a entire regiment of candles alit and a silver casket with a silver box with the ring. Too funny.

Plus, Staticy Lex in the Teaser was just so amusing.

I thought that was Martian Manhunter. Cool.


Strega - Nov 17, 2006 4:47:56 am PST #3756 of 10001

I don't think the wit offsets the anger, because he doesn't sound particularly angry to begin with.

I'm reading the piece like those ten things piss him off every time he sees them now,

But I don't know where you're getting that. Down in the comments he says Back to the Future is a great movie even if it does feature fatalistic time travel.

The reaction I saw here before I could find the article made me think it was this tirade with a lot of "Only hacks use these tropes! Only fools are entertained by them!" And then I read a piece that's more like, "I'm tired of these things. Some of them were cool originally, but enough." The reaction, here and there, seems far more passionate than the original piece.


Consuela - Nov 17, 2006 5:36:26 am PST #3757 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

SPN previews OMG!

Although I do think it's a bit cheap for the XF team to be scavenging their own oeuvre for plots at this early date...

Mely has a great post from earlier in the season where she talked about how Dean and Sam are switching places this season--that Dean is now the one who's hanging on for dear life and challenging his father's decisions, and Sam's the one looking out for them both and pushing the Let's Save People agenda.

That said, I think a better argument that Sam could have made at the end wasn't "Saving people is Dad's legacy and we should do that," but "The more we learn the better chance we have of saving Dad from an eternity of torment."

Surely someone has already written the AU where Dean goes through with the deal and John rips him a new one...


shrift - Nov 17, 2006 5:38:11 am PST #3758 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Excellent SPN complete with EVIL promos. Evil.

You say evil, I say gun porn.


Polter-Cow - Nov 17, 2006 6:01:12 am PST #3759 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I LAUGHED at the OTP proposal room -- two entire hedges of blooming rose bushes and a entire regiment of candles alit and a silver casket with a silver box with the ring. Too funny.

Yeah, they had the rising music of menace and then...CRAP. I may have groaned.

Although I do think it's a bit cheap for the XF team to be scavenging their own oeuvre for plots at this early date...

Heh. I didn't even think of how similar it was to "Ice." But I don't think that was the first or last to use that basic idea, was it?

You say evil, I say gun porn.

Ha. It certainly was an EVERYONE IS SHOOTING PEOPLE promo, wasn't it.


sumi - Nov 17, 2006 6:21:46 am PST #3760 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Also, car porn and was that knife that Sam was holding the knife he had in the Pilot that we NEVER SAW AGAIN?


Typo Boy - Nov 17, 2006 6:46:51 am PST #3761 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OWI reminds me of tales of the CIA during the Cold War. Plenty of morally questionable things were done in the name of freedom and national security. The greater good was served, but the victory is tainted.

I think the assumption here is that much of stuff done had much to do with the cold war. A lot of them used the cold war as an excuse to stop poor countries from doing stuff that pissed off the rich and powerful in the U.S. I don't believe for moment that anyone really thought democracy in Guatemala or Nicaragua or El Salvador. People in poor nations on the same continent as the U.S. had elected people that wanted to do things that would cost large U.S. corporations profits - and this could not be tolerated. (I'm not saying people in government did not convince themselves that this was what was going on. But it was what happened in practice.)

I would give the CIA and western military policy in general very little credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union. I think an unworkable economic system, combined with an elite that decided they could get richer and more powerful in a capitalist semi-democracy than dysfunctional dictatorship explained more. Note that China decided to skip the whole democracy part and just go straight to a capitalists system combined with a dictatorship. Russia may yet end up there, though at the moment is still has strong democratic elements.

Once you decide there is nothing you won't do to advance a goal, the goal recedes behind the things you do.


P.M. Marc - Nov 17, 2006 9:34:41 am PST #3762 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah, I can't quite see Papa Winchester selling his soul to save Dean's life. If crossroads demon can cure Hudson's wife of terminal cancer and let him live for another 10 years on top of it before collecting, I would think Daddy Winchester's immediate death, plus the Colt would be more than enough of a bargain for Dean's life.

See, though, I don't think it would be enough for Yellow Eyed Demon to just get a death and the Colt out of it. Because he's got those dead kids of his own to think of, and he's more twisted than Crossroads Demon, and all that. It's personal for him, not just business.

Although I do think it's a bit cheap for the XF team to be scavenging their own oeuvre for plots at this early date...

(Looks back over the last 30 episodes.)

They've been stealing since practically day one, but you know, it fits with the whole retellings of urban legends thing, so I'm okay with that.


sumi - Nov 17, 2006 10:04:31 am PST #3763 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

OMG, I just discovered that the guy who played "Poor Bitch" in Wonderfalls is the son of Michael Hogan from BSG.