Shoot. "Skin" is one of the S1 episode I missed, and it looks like I'm gonna have to track down the torrent.

I liked the latest SPN a lot, and found the MotW genuinely creepy, which is always a plus. I enjoyed Jo quite a bit here as well, and find the widespread hatred of Jo kind of mystifying. It's not like she's threatening the bond between Dean and Sam or anything. She's awfully young, but the girl's got mettle. Also, Ellen = made of the awesome.

But most of all, I am v. happy that the show gave us a couple of substantial recurring female characters with agency this season, since the lack of that has always been my biggest problem with the show.

It's not like she's threatening the bond between Dean and Sam or anything.

Of course not! But fandom does not behave rationally where their Beloved Slash Objects are concerned.

True, true. But I had seen similar reactions even from people who are not into Wincest. I do get that you-and-me against the world vibe that Sam and Dean got going is one of the appeals of the show, and that was fabulous hook for the season 1, but I don't think that's enough if the show is to go on. It really took off when John came on the scene and we began to see an arc (both familial & re. the mythology of the show) and now that John is gone, the universe of the show needs to be expanded. And I'm glad that particular universe has some interesting women.

Plus, I don't get any sense that Dean is reciprocating Jo's crush on him. He treats her like a kid sister.

I would have liked Jo to get herself out of the box, rather than wait for somebody else, but beggars, choosers, you know. Considering she was a girl, she got to do some good self-defending in amidst the fetishistic shots of being groped by a gigantic dark-colored hand.

Also, I would like Jo to discover the exciting new world of ponytail holders and barrettes. But I feel that way about everybody who has long hair on television.

True, true. But I had seen similar reactions even from people who are not into Wincest.

Yeah. I've also seen the "woe, more characters will take screen time away from our boys!" Which, in my opinion, can only be good for the actors since being in every single scene ever must be exhausting.

Personally, I'm happy their world is expanding a little. I dig Ellen. I like Jo. Female characters who don't die in flames? Two thumbs up!

Plus, I don't get any sense that Dean is reciprocating Jo's crush on him. He treats her like a kid sister.

He really does. In season one, Dean probably would have hit that and never looked back, but things are different now. And I absolutely love grumpy-protective-big-brother!Dean.

I would have liked Jo to get herself out of the box,

Me, too, but that'd have been tough, given where she was locked up. The bloody nail scratches on top of the tomb made me shudder. Being buried alive = one of my big irrational fears. Being buried alive *and* regularly groped by skeevy dead serial killer = double ACK. At least she didn't stop fighting.

Although I have to say: Jo going off on her own into that passage without backup when she very well knew she was the classic victim type? Not smart. Talk about schmuck bait.

Oh, the Jo hatred totally comes from the fact that she is supposed to be the Dean love interest. Or so everyone thinks. Because I'm getting that she's got a crush on Dean but not really seeing the interest going in the other direction. (I think that he and Ellen have more chemistry.)

The scene I remember the most had him taking it from behind in a car. I'm guessing that was missing from the WE version.

Weird, maybe I've retroactively censored my memories for the friend-of-a-friend clause, because I completely recalled that scene as just making out in the back seat. I thought Christina Ricci and Ivan Sergei had the only halfway explicit scene in the whole movie.

Wah! I have thunder storms, which means no satellite. Wah! I'm taping a screen that reads Searching for satellite signal. This is so sad.

Oh, Laura, that sucks. Well, maybe it will clear up by the 11p airing?