It's all about choices, Faith. The ones we make, and the ones we don't. Oh, and the consequences. Those are always fun.

Angelus ,'Smile Time'


Boxed Set, Vol. III: "That Can't Be Good..."  

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


esse - Oct 25, 2006 2:05:56 am PDT #3103 of 10001
S to the A -- using they/them pronouns!

I'm tenatively hypothesizing telepathic projection of "don't notice me" - cause it is another mental power.

I agree with this. And also, the dampening affect he had on Grunberg's telepathy. Because Grunberg could barely read Claire's dad's mind when he was around, and Claire's dad indicated it was because of MBG. So maybe it's another x-men thing, the kid that deadened other powers, with added mental tricks.

Looks like I might've been the only one to see the unaired version of the Heroes pilot.

No, I saw it in August. And I didn't watch the aired pilot, thus not realizing that they'd cut a couple of things out, which made for some "wha?" issues in 102.


tiggy - Oct 25, 2006 2:20:56 am PDT #3104 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Looks like I might've been the only one to see the unaired version of the Heroes pilot.

I saw an unaired pilot for Heroes, but i don't remember the van scene you mentioned. of course that was months ago and i watched several pilots at a time. so maybe i've just forgotten it.


Tom Scola - Oct 25, 2006 2:46:58 am PDT #3105 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Profile of Masi Oka, who not only plays a geek on TV, but is one in real life, too.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 25, 2006 2:55:09 am PDT #3106 of 10001
What is even happening?

I think P-C saw an unaired version of the Heroes pilot, too -- maybe at Comic Con. The one he saw had a different ending with Peter.

I think even ordering a mind to forget everything after noon on Oct. 23, 2006 or pink bunnies, or what have you, is still telepathy. It's non-spoken communication. And actual mind reading (which would be a kind of telepathy) on MBG's part, although there's no specific proof for it yet, seems to be the simplest explanation for the ability to selectively erase. It's not the only possible one, but still seems the most likely.

I don't know what I think about possible don't-notice-me type projections. I haven't paid enough attention to those scenes. Claire's dad seems to be everywhere the action is anyhow, so it didn't seem odd to me that MBG could just pop up, since Claire's dad almost just pops up.


sumi - Oct 25, 2006 4:27:24 am PDT #3107 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

One of my friends has a sister who watches BSG exclusively through itunes.

Her sister just got a message that said that given that BSG is planning to air 3 less episodes than originally planned they were refunding her some money.

3 less episodes? That does not sound good.


sumi - Oct 25, 2006 5:44:22 am PDT #3108 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

I just re-read my friend's email: it was reduced by five episodes. Five.

From 20 to 15? Does itunes count 2 hour presentations as 1 or 2 episodes? I ask because Comcast On Demand counts the two episode premiere as one episode.


§ ita § - Oct 25, 2006 6:20:38 am PDT #3109 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And actual mind reading (which would be a kind of telepathy) on MBG's part, although there's no specific proof for it yet, seems to be the simplest explanation for the ability to selectively erase.

Even if he's deleting by time?


Kathy A - Oct 25, 2006 6:39:24 am PDT #3110 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The Chicago Tribune's TV reviewer takes a new look at Heroes and unfortunately, doesn't change her mostly unfavorable opinion from the pilot. She does like Greg Grunberg's cop and Hiro, but the rest of it gets a big @@ and "meh." Even Hiro can rub her wrong sometimes:

I do like the scenes with Hiro and his pal from Japan, though I really wonder if, in those scenes, the character of Hiro skirts dangerously close to the stereotype of the Asian nerd (thank heaven for Daniel Dae Kim of “Lost,” for showing that an Asian TV character can be sexy, flawed, handsome and not at all nerd-tastic. And it must be said, the Hiro from the future who appeared briefly seems to be very different from the Hiro we're seeing now).

She does plan on sticking around to watch, though:

Anyhow, I’ll keep checking in on “Heroes.” I am a charter member of the nerd nation, so this should be right up my alley. I’ll keep waiting for the good parts of the show to outweigh the bad parts.


Tom Scola - Oct 25, 2006 6:43:07 am PDT #3111 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I'm looking forward to next week, because it looks like we'll actually get to see some asskicking.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 25, 2006 7:02:13 am PDT #3112 of 10001
What is even happening?

Even if he's deleting by time?

To me, yes, because of a few reasons.

First of all, if MBG can't read what's going on in someone's mind, how would he, or Claire's dad, ever have realized he (MBG) has whatever powers he does have? Secondly, he can block someone else from mind reading, and in the scene where he blocked the cop from mind reading, he seemed to know he was doing so and to whom. Thirdly, he can wipe other people's minds both selectively and entirely. All of those are forms of telepathy, in the sense that he's giving commands to other people's minds. Additionally, Claire's dad seems to be able to be where he needs to be, which makes me think they know what the supes are up to.

It seems a bigger stretch to assume MBG has 3 kinds of telepathic powers (blocking; full wipe; selective wipe), but not actual mind reading. If he can't read their minds (I do think that's possible, just highly unlikely), there are going to be times that he and Claire's dad won't be privy to what timeframe they need to wipe out of someone's mind.