Honestly, you meet the most appalling sort of people....

Giles ,'Chosen'


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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Gus - Feb 08, 2005 7:23:11 am PST #9808 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Well, I think you can put these cues into the text.

I'm not poking, OK? I'm just saying that I am not a contemporary of Edith Wharton (Really! Old, am I, not moldy !), but I still got the entire context of her stuff. If I were inclined to analyze why I got it, I would say it was the longish asides about the meanings of things.

Brutal but loving thing: It is not the audiences' fault.

(Can I say anything else to further ruin my popularity? Probably. Give me a minute.)


erikaj - Feb 08, 2005 7:29:15 am PST #9809 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Yeah...doesn't have to be all huge and exposition-y. Like on The Wire, they don't really translate corner-speak...the first few times you totally have to understand from the response.(looking at the hierarchy thing from, well, the bottom, as I tend to do.) Now picturing Austen characters wanting "juice" and "mad props." (at least I amuse me, right?)


Susan W. - Feb 08, 2005 7:34:40 am PST #9810 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Well, the problem is that the audience isn't homogenous, you know? Last night two members of my writers group got in an argument over whether or not I should cut a historical reference. One thought it added richness to the scene; the other said it pulled her out of the story. What clarified for one person confused another. You can't win. So I write the kind of book I like to read myself, albeit with one eye on the market and, for lack of a better word, the industry standard for things like how much historical explanation to include. I really don't see how I could do any different.


Gus - Feb 08, 2005 7:42:32 am PST #9811 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I get you, Susan. There are references that pull you in, because you have the context, and references that stop you dead, because you don't.

When a piece assumes I have the context, I'm enamored. Like erikaj remarks, though, when the piece slips me the context ahead of time, then slips me the reference, I don't just feel enamored. I feel pretty.


Connie Neil - Feb 08, 2005 7:50:53 am PST #9812 of 10001
brillig

One bit of advice I picked up from David Eddings' talking about his fantasy work was the usefulness of the Clueless Hero, the bumpkin who's been thrown into a strange new world who needs things explained to him. You can go overboard, of course, explaining things, but if you really feel you need to clarify something about history or society, you can have Clueless get out of his depth and need help.


Susan W. - Feb 08, 2005 8:00:23 am PST #9813 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I do my best to slip in the context, but, like almost everything in writing, it's a balancing act. If I include enough explanation for Reader A never to get confused by anything, Reader B will accuse me of stopping the story every few pages for a research dump.

And my writers group is an interesting test ground because none of them read what I write recreationally. And in some ways that makes them good first readers--they're not coming to the text with a big set of assumptions from every other historical romance they've read. But OTOH, I have to keep in mind that at least 90% of my actual target market if and when I sell this book IS regular readers of historical romance. So if the writers group makes a suggestion that feels way off to me, I try not to dismiss it right away, but I'll check with a critique partner or beta reader who's familiar with my genre before making a major change.


Anne W. - Feb 08, 2005 8:04:16 am PST #9814 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

How does one generally go about finding a writer's group? I hope to hook up with one when I go back to St. Louis.


erikaj - Feb 08, 2005 8:07:15 am PST #9815 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm totally the bomb with cornerspeak now...for a suburban white girl. You feel me?(I'd better stop. Linguistic earworm.) Who knows? The book tanks, I may have a future in "freelance pharmaceuticals"...nah. Don't like the retirement plan. I feel pretty Best.Description.Evah. Smart is sexy.


Connie Neil - Feb 08, 2005 8:07:33 am PST #9816 of 10001
brillig

That's a good point, Susan. If someone picks up a book or story, they've at least shown an interest in the tropes.


Susan W. - Feb 08, 2005 8:10:39 am PST #9817 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Anne, mine evolved out of a class I took at the local community college. And there are several critique groups within my RWA chapter--that's how I met my critique partner who also writes Regencies. So I'd say look for writing classes or join a writers organization.