Just keep walking, preacher-man.

River ,'Jaynestown'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Deena - Mar 23, 2003 8:37:49 pm PST #969 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

It's the place/time. Or, more specifically, that particular place. I'm going to mull and see what I can do to make that clearer without making it look like I scribbled on calligraphy with a sharpie. I tend to be panicky/heavy-handed with edits.


victor infante - Mar 23, 2003 8:39:18 pm PST #970 of 10001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Well, I gave in and put it up. I have the right to take it down again at any time, so I may as well. And Internet? Fast.

The Best Lack All Conviction: the "Infante's Inferno" Columns and Other Writings


Deena - Mar 23, 2003 8:59:30 pm PST #971 of 10001
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Victor, the page is in favorites and the price is in the budget. I won't be your first purchaser, but I will purchase it.


Susan W. - Mar 23, 2003 10:01:51 pm PST #972 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I just wrote my first-ever explicit sex scene. I think it's more R than NC17, but still. It wasn't really difficult to write, but I have a sneaking suspicion it sucks and I'm the only person in the world who'd think it's sexy.

In a few days I might post it here and/or plead for volunteers to take a look at it. But I think I need to let it, and my brain, rest for a bit first.


Ms. Havisham - Mar 23, 2003 10:06:37 pm PST #973 of 10001
And we will call it... "This Land."

I'd be willing, Susan.

I have a sneaking suspicion it sucks

It's porn , girl, it's supposed... oh, wait. :)


Susan W. - Mar 23, 2003 10:07:54 pm PST #974 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I left that one in on purpose after editing out a few accidental single entendres. :)


Connie Neil - Mar 23, 2003 10:24:41 pm PST #975 of 10001
brillig

A very good writerly friend once told me "There are no new stories. Love. Quest. Revenge. Variations thereof. Pick one. "

I personally agree with this concept. The themes are old as hominds and emotion, it's the rest of the stage that changes.

When you say you can't find hte story, what precisely do you mean? Your erudite characters just find themselves together? Is "story" something different from "plot"? I rarely worry about a theme, but I can always find a reason for a character to get from point A to point B, the most melodramatic reason possible, hopefully. I can create an entire back story just from seeing two people glaring at each in the supermarket. Two or three, actually, ranging from "How dare he buy that brand of cat food again, he knows it gives little Froo-Froo gas" to "I know she's been fooling around with my brother, I just know it."

The people in my head are ever so much more interesting than the real ones.


deborah grabien - Mar 23, 2003 10:31:01 pm PST #976 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Quickie in, quickie out, because Nic needs the big computer.

But the combination of narrating in first person and then jumping out to the distance of describing "the hand" and "the narrator

See, that worked for me, because the response it evoked was completely visceral; just the opposite of words-on-a-page, because the author wasn't in my way. it was just the girls. Your emotional whoa-baby may definitely vary on these.

Victor, marked. Will go look when I can actually sit down and read without being snorted on.

Is "story" something different from "plot"?

For me? Always and forever. Plot is mechanics and I honestly don't care about it; it's simply nuts and bolts in the story for me. But again, massive differences in mileage to be expected.

Back when I can. Damn damn.


Beverly - Mar 23, 2003 10:49:42 pm PST #977 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Bookmarked, Victor. Can we review for you, if you get to vet it? And yay! I hope this goes into print--20 years along, it's being taught as representative of the era--the Catcher in the Rye of the early 21st century.

connie, I can do snippets of conversation. I have a very good one-page story that I've always thought of as complete. But other things, I feel ought to lead somewhere, not just end, unresolved, like bits of conversation overheard in passing.

For my (now dead) novel I had a destination in mind, an outline cast in stone of an ending, and no clear way to get there. Writing it was exhilarating, exhausting, frustrating. The characters would hare off down blind alleys and false trails and I'd have to backtrack. Or sometimes they'd find a wonderful side trip with details I'd never expected or imagined. I "plotted" nothing except certain points that had to happen, somewhere between "Once upon a time" and "thereafter."

I want that ride again. I want a destination, and the fear that I won't discover that again has begun to give way to certainty.


Connie Neil - Mar 23, 2003 11:14:54 pm PST #978 of 10001
brillig

Or sometimes they'd find a wonderful side trip with details I'd never expected or imagined.

I am plot's bitch, always have been, but I've got the knack of dialogue, too, praise be. I generally have a roadmap, but sometimes things happen I never expect. I was writing along one day in long hand (praise be for the laptop and the Palm Pilot, it'll probably keep my wrists whole a decade longer), and everything was flowing beautifully. There was a scene where two friends were saying goodbye towards the end of the story, and the one woman's husband puts his arm around her and says "Don't worry, So-and-So will be back soon. She'll come as often as she can." "I know," says the woman. "After all, she's going to die here."

I literally put down the pen and blinked at the page. I was in the middle of a very long series of stories, and I hadn't thought of how it would all end, far in these people's futures. But the woman was something of a visionary, given to these glimpses into the future, and I wasn't going to argue with her. And, yes, many stories later, the other woman, on a visit with her friend, did have one last adventure and died in her friend's arms.