Let him do his thing, and then you get him out. No messing with him for laughs.

Mal ,'Ariel'


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Strix - Jan 15, 2005 3:18:20 pm PST #9459 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

King based The Shining on Hill House; he even quotes that opening paragraph - which I recited, from memory, at my last booksigning - somewhere in the book. In my eyes, he doesn't come within spitting distance of Jackson. Then again, he likes shock; she preferred fear. Different beast entirely.

Yeah, and he totally admits that in Danse Macabre. If you read Ghost Story again, you can really see how Straub has influenced King. I like King's early works a lot for the most part. Later stuff, not so much. And The Tommyknockers was terrible.

The vamp WINS in the movie version?! Huh. Interesting. No, I've not seen it, and I should. I haven't watch the 60's version of Hill House in a long time either, and I want to.


deborah grabien - Jan 15, 2005 3:24:06 pm PST #9460 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Erin, interesting story about the effect Straub had on King. They sent him Ghost Story for a blurb for the cover. He opened it, apparently put it down nine hours later, and woke up his wife Tabitha, babbling something along the lines of "I'm not worthy I'm not worthy". Smart me - he wasn't. The blurb turned into a two-page review (beginning with, IIRC, "holy suffering CATFISH, what a book!") and was followed by a request to Straub to please work together on something?

Straub is monstrous for me, in the best sense. If he was a skosh more subtle and a skosh less graphic in his gore, he'd be up there on the same level as Jackson for me. As it is? He's close.


Strix - Jan 15, 2005 3:26:45 pm PST #9461 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I"ve only read GS and the stuff he wrote with King, so I don't have all that much to base him on. I'll have to go to HalfPrice books and see what else.

One of the things I like about King is his honesty about his weaknesses as a writer and his utter unapologetic ways about writing what he does. I think his main stregths are characterization (for the most part) and his sheer love of story.


deborah grabien - Jan 15, 2005 3:30:30 pm PST #9462 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Straub's early stuff - Julia, and If You Could See Me Now - were about as terrifying as it gets. Julia broke my heart in seventeen places. Shadowland froze me in place.

I totally agree about King's love of the story. I find his early stuff very readable, but only if I take him as shock writer, rather than a ghost story writer. He had moments of blackout terror in The Shining, and a few places in Salem's Lot that just blew my mind. Carrie, eh. But then, neither the book nor the movie of The Exorcist spooked me even remotely, so I be weird.


Strix - Jan 15, 2005 3:34:47 pm PST #9463 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Julia's kind of a Turn of the Screw-esque one, IIRC. I haven't read it, but I've read about it.

Shadowland?

And my all time fave is It. It grooves on the "the monster is what you fear the most" theme, and I think King is at his best when writing from a child's innocent/sophisticated POV.


Amy - Jan 15, 2005 3:38:22 pm PST #9464 of 10001
Because books.

Straub's early stuff - Julia, and If You Could See Me Now - were about as terrifying as it gets.

Loved, loved, looooved these. And Floating Dragon was one of the first books that truly kept me up at night, although he claims his horror fans didn't like it. I thought it was damn scary. I'm readin ghis newest now, In the Night Room, and it's not horror, but it is spooky and thought-provoking and fascinating.

But then, neither the book nor the movie of The Exorcist spooked me even remotely, so I be weird.

This is my husband's scared-to-go-to-sleep book. I read the book so long ago, I barely remember it.

Stephen King never scared me in the -what's-that-noise-oh-god-oh-god way, but he creeped me out very effectively quite often. The kids in It, Jack's slow decline into madness in The Shining. Actually, the story that really truly *scared* me was The Mist.


Strix - Jan 15, 2005 3:43:31 pm PST #9465 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

The devil freaks me out lots, and I don't know why, since I'm not Xian, but somehow, the personification of evil just weirds me. Spooks me.

Drains still weird me out, because of it. I think about it every time I wash my face...and I tie hair hair back so it doesn't dangle too close.


Amy - Jan 15, 2005 3:48:35 pm PST #9466 of 10001
Because books.

Drains still weird me out

From It? I loved the book, and read it voraciously, racing to the end with bitten nails and a nervous stomach...but the end was a massive disappointment to me. Maybe nothing would have worked, for me at least, since the whole "what you fear is the evil" theme was carried out so well (i.e. what one thing could encompass all that effectively), but the end felt like a huge copout.

Still love the characters, though. I had a girl in a day camp where I worked that summer who was completely Beverly to me, minus the abuse. She looked and spoke exactly the way I pictured the character.


Strix - Jan 15, 2005 3:57:34 pm PST #9467 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Yeah, it should have been harder to kill It, methinks. But was still good.


Polter-Cow - Jan 15, 2005 4:01:32 pm PST #9468 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

But then, neither the book nor the movie of The Exorcist spooked me even remotely, so I be weird.

The movie didn't do anything for me either. But then again, neither did Kubrick's Shining. Love the book, though.

And my all time fave is It. It grooves on the "the monster is what you fear the most" theme, and I think King is at his best when writing from a child's innocent/sophisticated POV.

Yeah, love that one. I want to read it again.

I just read The Stand. That was pretty good stuff, though the last few hundred pages felt a little anticlimactic.