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'Potential'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 1:24:43 pm PST #8648 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Kewl! Sending. I'm just attaching the whole thing, rather than splitting out the new stuff, so I'd suggest just reading all of chapter one.


erikaj - Dec 11, 2004 1:34:40 pm PST #8649 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Man, not only am I not a poet, I can't fucking count. Damn. Thanks, Deb.


Susan W. - Dec 11, 2004 6:12:54 pm PST #8650 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

I need some brainstorming help. (Deb, this is the bit we were already discussing from the last chapter I sent you--I thought I'd bring it up here, too.)

I'm working on a scene in the Lucy edit where she learns that her eldest cousin, the titular head of the family, has run up huge gaming debts, and that one of the consequences is that he can no longer afford to support Lucy's many younger brothers and sisters. (Lucy's mother married really, really poorly, and if it were all up to her parents, they couldn't afford to give the children good educations or establish them in any kind of genteel profession.) Lucy, naturally, is distraught over this, and when James, our hero, learns what has happened, he proposes to her. Even though she doesn't especially like or trust him at this point in the story, she accepts, because she feels she owes it to her family. Well, that, and she's very physically attracted to him, but I digress.

What I'm stuck on is her family's reaction. In the original version, everyone but her cousin Portia, who wants James for herself, is supportive, and I decided it needed more conflict. Much more conflict. What I'm stuck on is a good reason for her Aunt Georgiana (the cousins' widowed mother) to be unhappy about the situation. Georgiana is generally kindhearted, but she's also weak and ineffectual. In the current version, I have her angry because she'd hoped that James would elope with Portia--Portia is engaged to someone else that Georgiana thinks is wrong for her, but G. doesn't quite have the balls to put her foot down and forbid the match, which she technically could do since P. is under 21.

Anyway, Deb and I don't really think the new version works--it's just too over-the-top, and too hard to believe that a woman of her time would actually be rooting for her daughter to elope. And yet, I want G. to be upset about Lucy's engagement for some reason, because I want her to be isolated from her whole family at this point in the story. Any thoughts? And do the following facts give me anything to work with?

1. Lucy is the consummate shabby-genteel poor relation--her mother was a squire's daughter but had no fortune to speak of, while her father was an ambitious man from an impoverished and common background who never actually succeeded at anything he attempted. If it weren't for G. and her late husband taking Lucy in, she'd literally be nobody. Just before the story opens, G. had offered to help Lucy find a husband so she wouldn't have to work as a governess or a companion for all her life, but she had in mind something like a curate, a junior officer in Lucy's cousin's regiment, etc. Whereas James is an extremely rich baronet and grandson of an earl on his mother's side. So Lucy is marrying well above her station, and she pulled this off without any help from G. Might G. resent seeing Lucy so exalted when she and her own children are being shamed and humbled?

2. After James proposes to Lucy, she comes back looking like someone who's been thoroughly and passionately kissed while sitting/lying on the floor in a dusty, little-used room, because that's what happened. I've already got her male cousins seeing her all disheveled and treating her as if she's a bit slutty. Could G. be a part of this as well?

Oh, and it'd help if whatever G. does isn't so terrible that Lucy will never forgive her, because I want G. to be visiting Lucy and James in the next book when Anna comes home from Spain, since she's also Anna's MiL.


Katie M - Dec 11, 2004 6:15:42 pm PST #8651 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

I react more positively to 1) than 2), Susan, FWIW. It sounds like a very natural reaction on her part (moreso than "shoot, I was hoping my daugher would elope with him instead!")


Hil R. - Dec 11, 2004 6:22:03 pm PST #8652 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I like reaction 1 a lot better. It's a more conflicty conflict -- something that has to do with both characters, not simply one disapproving of a specific action of the other.


Susan W. - Dec 11, 2004 6:27:33 pm PST #8653 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Now I just have to decide how to play it. It's not so much "How dare you?! Begone from my presence!" as "Marrying high, aren't we? Are you sure you're ready for this?"


Ginger - Dec 11, 2004 6:51:14 pm PST #8654 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I like number 1 too. It seems like a natural reaction that would also include envy. Maybe she doesn't believe that Lucy plans to help the other children. Maybe Portia told her that Lucy was just out for herself.


Beverly - Dec 11, 2004 8:58:44 pm PST #8655 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Deb, send it, please. I'll read and get back to you as soon as I can. It may be Monday, though.


deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2004 9:16:26 pm PST #8656 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Just back from catfeeding.

Susan, something that occurred to me: suppose Georgina's reason was a nice simple one? Suppose that, under the chilly good manners, Almont's formidable sister had been unable to hide her distaste for Portia, and for Portia's family? Suppose Georgina had felt herself snubbed, enough to where she'd come to hate the thought of having to deal with these people? Suppose she felt - on the kinder side of herself - that Portia would never be happy living in a family where she was so looked down upon?

Bev, sending. I'll attach the entire thing, rather than splitting it out; the new stuff is the last nine pages or so.


Susan W. - Dec 11, 2004 9:48:24 pm PST #8657 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Suppose Georgina had felt herself snubbed, enough to where she'd come to hate the thought of having to deal with these people? Suppose she felt - on the kinder side of herself - that Portia would never be happy living in a family where she was so looked down upon?

Hmm. Would that take us back to her being angry with Lucy because she wanted James for her own daughter?