Zoe: What's that, sir? Mal: Freedom, is what. Zoe: No, I meant what's that? Mal: Oh. Yeah. Just step around it. I think something must've been living in here.

'Out Of Gas'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Anne W. - Dec 04, 2004 7:49:46 am PST #8484 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Exactly, Susan. If you hand out exposition in dribs and drabs, and you play it right, you leave the reader wanting to know more, wanting to keep on reading to figure out what's going on or what's going to happen next.

When an author puts in too much exposition, I just want him or her to get on with it already.

All bets are off, though, if whoever's writing has a wonderful narrative voice.


Amy - Dec 04, 2004 8:15:13 am PST #8485 of 10001
Because books.

All bets are off, though, if whoever's writing has a wonderful narrative voice.

There definitely authors whose grocery lists I would read, because I love their voices, but they tend to be few and far between.

if anything, the story hooks me in and makes me want to go look up what really happened once I'm done with it

I'm famous for this, although I adit I do it more with movies than with books, maybe because I don't read as much historical fiction as I do watch movies set in some other time period. I'll never forget looking up the story behind Lady Jane Grey and being crushed that the truth was not the least bit romantic in terms of her marriage to...whoever it was they made her marry. Damn my stupid lack of memory. Guilford? Whatever.


deborah grabien - Dec 04, 2004 8:30:10 am PST #8486 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

God, nothing bothers me more than characters discussing things they already know just so the reader can know, too. Guh. There should be whole classes on doing exposition properly.

I have a running debate with my weekly critique group over this. I'm a firm believer that less is more, and that it's better for a reader to be a little confused than to have false-sounding dialogue or awkward exposition. I've never yet put down a compelling story because I wasn't 100% clear on the history--if anything, the story hooks me in and makes me want to go look up what really happened once I'm done with it.

I actually have a page about that, an author's note, at the beginning of FFoSM, and Ruth actually quoted a line of it on the inside front cover of the dust jacket. Basically, I do my homework, weave my fictional characters in with the real ones and my fictional events into the historical research, and do it seamlessly, so that the reader doesn't know which is which. Then I rub my hands, twirl the ends of my waxed mustacios, and cackle with spiteful glee.

All bets are off, though, if whoever's writing has a wonderful narrative voice.

Thanks to the whatevers that be, for an editor who feels that way about mine. Makes my life eminently more possible.

Brynn, will send to profile address. Didn't post it because if it's going to be published, you can't prepublish without messing up rights.

Be warned, though: if you're expecting an apocalypse, as in, big noisy bang and heavy scifi fantasy, you'll be disappointed (Polter was). This is a simple little story about a travelling circus and a girl and a choice.

edit: erika, trouble with bios? Really? I love writing them.


deborah grabien - Dec 04, 2004 9:41:58 am PST #8487 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

OK, too funny, in terms of timing and synchronicity for the above discussion about research, voice, and whatnot. A review from I Love A Mystery:

THE FAMOUS FLOWER OF SERVING MEN
DEBORAH GRABIEN
St. Martin’s Minotaur November, 2004

Theatrical producer Penelope Wintercroft-Hawkes is flabbergasted when she hears from a London solicitor that an aunt, whom she had seen only once in her life, has left her property in the City of London. The property, an abandoned Victorian era theatre, needs renovation and restoration -- and her aunt has taken care of that by including a large sum of money for her to use to accomplish this work. However, as Penny visits the site, she has some inexplicable experiences of apparently extra-sensory origin. Then Penny's lover, Ringan Laine, a folk-singer as well as a restorer of historic buildings, finds himself overwhelmed by a malevolent unseen intruder while he is checking the theatre's acoustics by playing a CD of one of his band’s recordings. Determined to learn the history of the area predating the building of the theater, Penny enlists a retired historian in her quest. The historian discovers a record of an actual historic figure, Agnes de Belleville, accused of murder, who was imprisoned on the site when it was the home of the King's chief Prison Wardour. Doggedly, Penny continues to work to uncover the truth that will enable her to exorcise this tortured spirit.

Before I start talking about this book, I must say that I do not like books with so called woo-woo (supernatural) happenings. I am also not very fond of historical mysteries, although I do enjoy non-fiction histories. That having been said, I found this book drew me into the story so that I could not stop reading it. The writing was incredibly beautiful, and the characters extremely well depicted. The historical aspect covered a little known era of British history, the late 14th century. And how could I not like a book where the protagonist loves Paris as much as I do? This book is meant for people who have some knowledge of history, Greek mythology and drama, and especially some familiarity with the French language. It is just these last expectations of reader background that makes THE FAMOUS FLOWER OF SERVING MEN a special book -- the reader is given an incredible feast that transcends the usual.

- Eden Embler

I am laughing my ass off, because:

The historian discovers a record of an actual historic figure, Agnes de Belleville, accused of murder, who was imprisoned on the site when it was the home of the King's chief Prison Wardour.

Actual historica figure? Um, nope. Invented the lady. The family I attached her to was real, but she didn't exist.

I'm grinning like a loon.


erikaj - Dec 04, 2004 9:42:57 am PST #8488 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, sweetie, I didn't breastfeed with the Who...;) I don't think it'll be that difficult, though. I was just prepared to be spurned and rejected. My world view has been pleasantly disrupted.


Pix - Dec 04, 2004 9:44:39 am PST #8489 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I just skipped to the end of the thread (you guys have been busy! go you!) to let everyone know I'm a bit dark grey for awhile while I get some things in order in RL that I really really need to focus on.

Love to everyone and tremendous thanks for all the help recently. I promise to bbs and be more helpful.


Pix - Dec 04, 2004 12:58:17 pm PST #8490 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Deb, insent with long overdue beta.

Btw, evidently I lied. I'm not so much dark grey as off white.


deborah grabien - Dec 04, 2004 1:17:20 pm PST #8491 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. Kristin, received and backsent.

For those who read "Matty Groves" in beta, you will be pleased at the events referenced on page one of chapter one of "Cruel Sister".


deborah grabien - Dec 04, 2004 1:32:04 pm PST #8492 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

A slightly different meaning of "first impression." Painful, to me, anyway.

Someone Else's Bed

In the darkness, moonrise tickling the edges of this room with pearl, I try to sort out my thoughts, feelings, senses.

You're sleeping, smiling into the night. We've just made love for the first time, my instigation, a demand really. The universe seems to be our sanctuary.

You aren't mine, you probably never will be; I know this. Yet I turn my head on the pillow and think, tonight this place is mine, this man, this bed.

All lies. This is Dolly's bed. That tonight I've left the impression of my body in it for the first time, gives me nothing.


Pix - Dec 04, 2004 3:04:39 pm PST #8493 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

The first thing I think is "annoying". Too perky. Her classroom is probably filled with apple paraphernalia. I resent the way she bubbles into my space and wins my mother’s heart immediately with her cheerful greeting and insistence on giving me her number, printed perfectly on “Teaching Touches Lives” notepaper.

“I’m really looking forward to working with you!” she chirps on her way back out into locker-filled hallways. I make a note to avoid her at faculty meetings.

How could I have known, seven years later, that the saddest day of my career would be learning she wasn’t coming back?