So there is something I can do, besides scream like a woman?

Wesley ,'Chosen'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Polter-Cow - Nov 06, 2004 7:58:10 pm PST #7879 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm beta-free.


deborah grabien - Nov 06, 2004 7:59:22 pm PST #7880 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, send please.

Just home from two parties for which I had to both cook and drive, or I would have answered sooner.


deborah grabien - Nov 06, 2004 10:08:24 pm PST #7881 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Allyson, received, read, misted up, and backsent with narrative commentary on two points, and a noticed spelling error.


Nilly - Nov 06, 2004 10:20:00 pm PST #7882 of 10001
Swouncing

Allyson, if I'm not too late in offering, I'd love to try and help.


Beverly - Nov 06, 2004 11:28:05 pm PST #7883 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Allyson, back to you with comments.


Susan W. - Nov 07, 2004 7:16:38 am PST #7884 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Allyson, if you still want more feedback, I'm available.


deborah grabien - Nov 07, 2004 8:50:09 am PST #7885 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Anyone up for a beta? Some slight revisions to existing, and a whole new section, on "The Gravekeeper".


deborah grabien - Nov 07, 2004 9:54:21 am PST #7886 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I wanted to post this. It's this month's "Murder at the Flatiron" column, written by my editor at St. Martins Press, Ruth Cavin, and it's very sage advice:

Walking with the Characters

We have said, (so much that you’re probably tired hearing it) that the characters are, to us, the most important part of a story. If readers have no interest in the people they meet in the pages of the book, if they can’t believe them, how can they care about what happens to them? We’ve quoted the author who said he gets his story by walking along with the characters and seeing what they do, we’ve noted that a news story about a happening to someone on the street takes on real meaning if that person is someone the reader knows, (or a celebrity that the reader feels he or she knows.)

Under our other hat, we’ve had an interesting thing happen along those lines:

The book is a thriller, written by an author whom we’ve published previously but a bit different than his previous stories. His agent sent it to us and we dived in, reading along with much pleasure and hating to have to stop to figure out what to make for dinner. But when we came to the end, we were abruptly uncomfortable. We didn’t like the killer. That killer had no reason to be the killer, only a kind of pasted-on motive that would be a much better fit on another of the characters.

In fact, a second character in the story was just the sort of person to have that motive all along, and to act on it, keeping it a deep secret between the author and the character, but in no way behaving in a way that such a person would not. Until the detective him- or herself could find the answer, the reader couldn’t know. When, finally, this character who is so much more fit to be the bad person, is unveiled, the reader can go back in memory and think, “Oh, that’s why he (or she) staged that argument in the restaurant...” or whatever action now becomes clear. It’s a real case of the character “getting away from the author,” as it were.

And to top it off, that fine fellow of an author not only didn’t protest at all, but agreed with us (after all, he’s the one who put the real killer in the story, it just took another eye to recognize the right person) but he said his wife had the same feeling when she read the manuscript. It can’t be better than that!

Lesson: It’s wrong for authors to think they have complete control over their characters. If they’ve done a good job on them, they’ve created individuals who don’t always want to do what the author tells them to.

She's a very wise woman.


Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2004 10:53:59 am PST #7887 of 10001
brillig

individuals who don’t always want to do what the author tells them to.

The rotten little bastards. No matter how much I tell them, "But--the entire next hundred pages depends on you doing this!", they cross their arms and say "Nuh uh."


Polter-Cow - Nov 07, 2004 10:55:15 am PST #7888 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

No matter how much I tell them, "But--the entire next hundred pages depends on you doing this!", they cross their arms and say "Nuh uh."

I know. I'm all, "We had a deal!" and they're all, "Fuck you, Charlie."