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The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Oct 13, 2004 10:12:52 am PDT #7310 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Poor broken thing...makes you think, huh?

If you're broken, I'm going to rollerskate down the south face of Everest with a giant combo pizza on my head. But I do get it. Like I said, it's a blind spot for me; I went the other way early on, with a gaggle of doctors standing a few feet away from me, casually discussing whether I'd live or die, and how deformed I was likely to be. I decided they were all idiots and I would spite them by never believing what they told me, just on principle. So I believed I was good early on in life. Thing is, I suspect that, while I'm good, you may be even better.

For me, I think that the whole bit about submitting for publication, finding an agent, working with an editor, wondering if a publisher would ever take the thing, etc., etc. front-loaded a metric ton of anxiety into the process.

But isn't that an entirely different issue? I mean, if you sit down without a single story in your head and say, I am going to write for a living, then you're talking about making money, not telling a story. Two different aspects of it, not at odds necessarily, but certainly different.

I have no idea if my publisher is going to want a fourth book in this series. I hope so. But I'm writing it anyway; there's a story in there I want to tell.

edit: simplifying the thought about Anne's take: I just mean that the monetary validation from outside sources is not the creation itself.


Anne W. - Oct 13, 2004 10:14:57 am PDT #7311 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

But isn't that an entirely different issue?

Oh, it is, but that didn't stop my brain from getting them confused.


deborah grabien - Oct 13, 2004 10:16:20 am PDT #7312 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. See above - I added to clarify, at the bottom.

Validation (not) creation.


erikaj - Oct 13, 2004 10:22:46 am PDT #7313 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Well, that was way more than I was expecting, Deb. But my point was that I learned to doubt my natural...anything pretty fast. Not completely, obviously, because I've always had that as a heart's desire, but... I've only recently started to trust that "death is my gift."


deborah grabien - Oct 13, 2004 10:35:43 am PDT #7314 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

But my point was that I learned to doubt my natural...anything pretty fast.

Yep. Time to take it back, bebe.


Connie Neil - Oct 13, 2004 12:29:44 pm PDT #7315 of 10001
brillig

Do you get the sense of uh-oh when you assemble ingredients from what you've got in the fridge, put them together, and try to make dinner?

Yep

Do you feel the frantic need to look for other peoples' existing embroidery patterns, every time you get the idea for a picture you want to create with silk thread?

Yep. I'd never attempt to embroider a picture just from an image in my head.

If you had three piano lessons as a kid, and suddenly hear a melody in your head that you can't identify, do you feel the need to read a bunch of books about piano before you flop down on a bench in the music store at the mall, and pick it out on the keyboard, humming as you do so?

I've had oodles of piano lessons, but the idea of picking out a coherent melody on the keyboard just from what I hear in my head is alien to me.

Oddly, writing is the only thing where I will just leap off the creative cliff and see what happens. I'm very analytical with other processes. Some of it is not wanting to waste resources on potentially unusable results (dinner or embroidery), some is a dread of being seen as less than competent at something. Competence is insanely important to me, I've learned. Not so much at the risk-taking. The potential gain is not seen as worth the potential loss, and, yes, I know that isn't the healthiest outlook.

Yep, I'm the person hanging back at home, muttering dire predictions, while Deb is out on the frontier, pushing the boundaries of the known world. But I'm cute.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 13, 2004 12:47:02 pm PDT #7316 of 10001
What is even happening?

You are cute. So are we all. Deb is published.


erikaj - Oct 13, 2004 1:39:26 pm PDT #7317 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Deb is my Bolander.She listens to my pissing and moaning and threatens to gut me when I get too dramatic. She gives good advice, too. But the metaphor finally breaks down because she is better looking and so not likely to get forced out to get b. org a younger demographic.How many quarters are we up to, internet spouse?


deborah grabien - Oct 13, 2004 2:29:27 pm PDT #7318 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Competence is insanely important to me, I've learned.

I rather like competence myself, but I'm scratching my head in bemusement, even while it's nodding up and down. Very dizzy-making sensation.

The three "yes" answers are making me scratch my head because, well, another language, damn it, and one I don't speak. I'm trying to envision the size of my ulcers if I threw that much consideration into stuff I love doing - that's why I chose cooking and music, which I can still do, and embroidery, which I can't anymore - and truth to tell, I think the ulcers would be bigger than my duodenum. Considering the cost of the ulcer and blood pressure meds, in comparison to the cost of a potentially botched dinner or a few skeins of silk embroidery yarn? I'll take the risk, every time.

But that's bogus, me using that reasoning, because truth is, I don't apply reason to it, ever. If I burn dinner or it tastes like feet sauteed in ass (which I've been known to do, on both counts), I'll make another dinner and eat that. If the tarot card of the Hermit I put on a chamois guitar strap for Jimmy Page in 1977, all hand done to scale in tiny coloured beads with no pattern or template but the card itself on the table next to me, had turned out lopsided or totally crappy, I'd have sworn in highly spiced and probably Elizabethan terms for a few minutes, and bought more beads and tried again, or tried something else.

This is not not not not not a judgment, in any shape or form. It's a statement of incomprehension, or maybe a sort of mildly apologetic explanation of why I blink when people stockpile the writing books and worry about it: literally, my mantra is, what's the big deal? What have I got to lose?

But hell, I'm a freak. Not like we didn't know that.

But the metaphor finally breaks down because she is better looking and so not likely to get forced out to get b. org a younger demographic.How many quarters are we up to, internet spouse?

Yo, rookie! GET OFF MY LAWN!

(puts false teeth back in place and shakes cane at erika)


Connie Neil - Oct 13, 2004 2:36:49 pm PDT #7319 of 10001
brillig

I think, Deb, if we ever spent time together in the meat world we would quickly drive each other mad. I suspect we're the same tarot card, just one of us the reverse aspect of the other.