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Susan W. - Oct 12, 2004 9:54:10 pm PDT #7281 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Fixed. (And I really had no idea it was a separate spelling--I guess it goes to show I know more about horses than fireplaces.)


Topic!Cindy - Oct 13, 2004 2:38:33 am PDT #7282 of 10001
What is even happening?

(I didn't know either, Susan. I have the sudden desire to find ever piece I've ever written, ever, that mentions a mantle, and correct it. Instead, I will tell myself the following covers it...)

13 entries found for mantle.
man·tel also man·tle ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mntl)
n. 1. An ornamental facing around a fireplace. Also called mantelpiece.
2. The protruding shelf over a fireplace. Also called mantelpiece, mantelshelf, fireboard.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Middle English mantel, as in mantiltre, beam over fireplace opening (perhaps from its use for drying wet clothing). See manteltree.]

[Download or Buy Now] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Further down, there's also this:

v. man·tled, man·tling, man·tles
v. tr.
To cover with or as if with a mantle; conceal. See Synonyms at clothe.

v. intr.
To spread or become extended over a surface.
To become covered with a coating, as scum or froth on the surface of a liquid.
To be overspread by blushes or colors: a face that was mantled in joy.

The first definition under the intransitive verb form supports m-a-n-t-l-e (in e-mail).


Anne W. - Oct 13, 2004 4:02:25 am PDT #7283 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Susan, that's a lovely bit about Anna, and I don't think it's Mary Sue-ish at all. I think that Mary Sues happen when authorial self-insertion happens without authorial self-examination, if that makes any sense. Not all authorial self-insertions are Mary Sues. Otherwise, what would that say about Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man?

The painter I'm referring to in my drabble is Edward Hopper, BTW. The diner painting is probably his most famous, and it's called "Nighthawks," I think.


sumi - Oct 13, 2004 4:32:43 am PDT #7284 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

And it's at the Art Institute of Chicago.


Connie Neil - Oct 13, 2004 5:33:51 am PDT #7285 of 10001
brillig

Deb, I'm working on "Famous Flower", and I'm getting obsessed with openings again. Is it assumed that the reader has read the blurbs and knows going in that this is going to be a ghost story, and, as such, is expecting a particular mood and a certain sequence of events? Or is that the function of the prologue, to set the mood?

Also, being as this is part of a series, how much character introduction to do you do? I understand that you can't always count on the reader having read the first book, so you have to lay the character's groundwork, but how do you avoid annoying the person who said, "Hot diggity, there's a sequel! What happens next?"

I have an original novel kicking around in lame-assed first draft form. The front's plot doesn't quite match the back's plot, but I haven't gotten the motivation to fix it yet. And people keep asking for more parts of various fic, so I tell myself "You could work on a novel that may or may not go anywhere, or you could write for the vocal, appreciative audience that's right there and waiting."

Anyway, any hypothetical blurb for this novel would state that the main character is quite rich and privileged, with a secret from her past about to blow up in her face. So a reader would have that knowledge and be waiting for it to happen. How much time should be spent, therefore, on establishing the wealth and privilege of the woman's life? Do you write assuming the reader is a complete tabula rasa?


Susan W. - Oct 13, 2004 5:56:57 am PDT #7286 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan, that's a lovely bit about Anna, and I don't think it's Mary Sue-ish at all. I think that Mary Sues happen when authorial self-insertion happens without authorial self-examination, if that makes any sense.

It does. I've been worrying about the Mary Sue thing lately, given that pretty much every major character I write has a piece of my personality, large or small, woven in there somewhere, and that some of my favorite fictional characters bear certain marks of Mary Sue.


Anne W. - Oct 13, 2004 6:21:12 am PDT #7287 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

pretty much every major character I write has a piece of my personality, large or small, woven in there somewhere

I think that's pretty much unavoidable, and it's not a bad thing. I mean, how else are you going to create characters who have any kind of depth or believability?

some of my favorite fictional characters bear certain marks of Mary Sue

I know that fear of the "Mary Sue" has caused me to second-guess myself whenever I want to make a character likeable or if I need to make that character really good at something.

Upon more thought, I realized that readers want to be able to admire characters, sympathize with them, be interested in them, and spend time with them throughout the course of a novel.

I think that true "Mary Sue" territory begins at the point where the author relies on an abundance of surface detail: accessories, whether they be clothes or boyfriends; glamorous jobs; beautiful appearance; overabundance of "attitude" that has only one, strident note; quirkiness in the place of character; and so on.


Connie Neil - Oct 13, 2004 6:23:13 am PDT #7288 of 10001
brillig

And when an author decides that having a sibling in a wheelchair or a dead parent/best friend/pet is sufficient to claim the character has "depth."


Anne W. - Oct 13, 2004 6:24:28 am PDT #7289 of 10001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

And when an author decides that having a sibling in a wheelchair or a dead parent/best friend/pet is sufficient to claim the character has "depth."

Yes. This. I think that the dead parent/best friend/pet falls under the category of "cool accessory" rather than "character development."


Susan W. - Oct 13, 2004 6:51:46 am PDT #7290 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

OK. I'll stop worrying about Mary Sue for now, despite the fact that three of my four protagonists have excellent singing voices.