Wesley: Illyria can be...difficult. Testing her might be hard without getting someone seriously hurt. Angel: We'll make Spike do it. Wesley: Good.

'Underneath'


The Great Write Way  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Ginger - Oct 11, 2004 1:12:50 pm PDT #7234 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Thanks for helping me sort it all out, guys. It was a huge source of frustration.

It probably didn't help that you were describing a system that is insane.


Polter-Cow - Oct 11, 2004 1:43:11 pm PDT #7235 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Oh man, Allyson. That is loads better, somehow. I mean, I liked the fish metaphor, but the way you've explained it now is not only clearer but funnier. The snark is well integrated.

Loved

Surprisingly, television executives did not get into the business as a purely altruistic endeavor to provide free entertainment to the public.

and

The Super Bowl will never be canceled, no matter how lame I think it is.

I don't think I've explained Nielsen well enough.

It seems clear enough to me, but then again, I'm not unfamiliar with it.

Just, wow, Allyson. You really improved the hell out of it.


Consuela - Oct 11, 2004 1:45:32 pm PDT #7236 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Love it, Allyson. Although I kind of miss the statement about how fans are deeply wrong in their conviction they are the consumers of television. Because that's such a misconception, and it's so very pervasive.


Allyson - Oct 11, 2004 1:49:35 pm PDT #7237 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Although I kind of miss the statement about how fans are deeply wrong in their conviction they are the consumers of television. Because that's such a misconception, and it's so very pervasive.

I'll get it back in there when I discuss the night that I had the Bluegloves/Apples meltdown.


deborah grabien - Oct 11, 2004 1:52:05 pm PDT #7238 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. Without knowing anything at all about the Bluegloves/Apples meltdown, I already know I'm pleased with the idea of having the deeply wrong conviction in there.

I'm betting I'm going to be shown, not just told, bigtime.

I'm buying kettlecorn for when you post that part.


Hil R. - Oct 11, 2004 2:17:00 pm PDT #7239 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Love it, Allyson. The one place I'd say you might need to explain a bit more is that you mention Neilson boxes without explaining what they are. Just something along the lines of "Neilson selects a supposedly representative sample of families and gives them boxes that hook up to their TVs to keep track of what they watch. This information is then used to estimate how many people in the general population watched the show." Or something like that.


Polter-Cow - Oct 11, 2004 2:19:34 pm PDT #7240 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The one place I'd say you might need to explain a bit more is that you mention Neilson boxes without explaining what they are. Just something along the lines of "Neilson selects a supposedly representative sample of families and gives them boxes that hook up to their TVs to keep track of what they watch. This information is then used to estimate how many people in the general population watched the show." Or something like that.

I thought about that too, and then I decided an intelligent reader would be able to infer from the words "boxes" and "diaries" and the whole nature of Nielsen as Allyson has described it, that the boxes do in fact monitor the viewing habits, and they probably record their viewing habits in diaries. Although it might be good to have a line or two about the representative sample and how it spans demographics and all that, since demographics have been an important part of the essay so far.


deborah grabien - Oct 11, 2004 2:22:36 pm PDT #7241 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I honestly felt the demographic span was implicitly there, in the language she has in place.

Adding it certainly wouldn't damage the piece, but I honestly don't think it's needed, either.


Scrappy - Oct 11, 2004 2:23:39 pm PDT #7242 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Very nice piece, Allyson! You did a great job incorporating the notes while still keeping it distinctively yours--not the easiest thing to do.


Allyson - Oct 11, 2004 3:17:39 pm PDT #7243 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Thanks, Robin! It's so ultra-important to me to get my pointiness across. Great Write has been a good place to get big helpings of real non-egostrokey thoughts. Except when I yell, "please stroke my ego, I'm falling apart."