On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


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A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


deborah grabien - Oct 10, 2004 7:12:18 pm PDT #7173 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

The cross-conversation is really frellin' funny...


Susan W. - Oct 10, 2004 7:13:31 pm PDT #7174 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

What about backhanded "compliments", Susan? Something like (and this will suck 'cause I'm really tired), "Yes that color will look lovely with your darker complexion." (Because being quite fair was all the fashion then, right?)

I've seen conflicting sources (and I couldn't cite any of them, unfortunately--all part of that great encyclopedia in my head labeled "I'm sure I read it somewhere once") on whether blondes or brunettes were more fashionable, so I don't know if a blue-eyed blonde like Portia would be considered closer to the ideal than someone like Anna, with fair skin and dark hair. But Lucy is about as dark-complexioned all around as you can get and still be 100% British, and I'm pretty sure her skin tone in particular would be seen as a liability.

The dress she ends up choosing is an extremely flattering pure white with crimson trimmings (which will no doubt delight the 'Bama fans among my relatives). I guess Portia could hint that white just makes her look that much darker, or try to talk her out of the red trimmings and into something a bit less brunette-flattering?


Susan W. - Oct 10, 2004 7:14:24 pm PDT #7175 of 10001
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Why would she watch her tongue? What am I missing?

Um, me being worried that Portia is a little too over-the-top and trying to tone her down?


deborah grabien - Oct 10, 2004 7:17:50 pm PDT #7176 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Um, me being worried that Portia is a little too over-the-top and trying to tone her down?

Ahhhhhhhhh. Got it. Would that be served or accomplished as well by having her rather too obviously biting back sharp comments? "Really, Lucy, your taste is - peculiar. You do want the oddest things for such a brown-complexioned little thing. But," rather too obvious, with the "crap, they're going to hate me some more, I should cool it", obvious to Lucy at least, no matter who else gets fooled, "if you think your complexion can carry that, I suppose...."

That sort of thing. (Sorry, my brain is UXBing)


Susan W. - Oct 10, 2004 7:22:30 pm PDT #7177 of 10001
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Oooh, I like that, deb.

Of all the characters that's coming more to the fore now that I've written out Cordelia, Portia is the greatest challenge to write, just because I have relatively little real-life experience of her type. Passive-agressive, I've both given and received. "We don't like you that much so we'll mostly ignore you" is the story of my high school life. But out-and-out catty bitchiness I mostly missed out on.


deborah grabien - Oct 10, 2004 7:50:34 pm PDT #7178 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Thing about the catty bitchy thing is, you're going to want to define where it's coming from, with this particular character. Does she secretly doubt herself, and this is her out? Or does she have the Bush-think "I am Privileged! You are Poor Annoying Beneath Me SCUM!" thing going on? Or is she just reeeeeeeeeeeeally shallow?

What's her thing?

I love my husband. At my left elbow is a current London A to Z (street map, detailed), the same thing from 1915, one ginormous coffee table book called London from the Air, showing detailed views of the Isle of Dogs and docklands from the eighties, the volumes of both the 1911 and 1941 Brittanicas with details about that area at those times, and (prize! prize!) one paperback copy of "Danger UXB".

I'm in hog heaven.


Susan W. - Oct 10, 2004 8:00:00 pm PDT #7179 of 10001
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It's the Bush thing (it really bugs her to have a close relative as common as Lucy), with a side of envy and hunger for power. Portia is the youngest, and was never quite so highly valued in the family as her two older brothers. So when Lucy arrives on the scene, Portia finally has someone lower than her on the pecking order that she can pick on. And it bothers her that while on the whole they're near-equals in intellect and ability, Lucy is more talented at music and riding. (Portia is better at anything to do with the visual arts--watercolors, sketching, needlework, and the like--but since Lucy views them as necessary evils she must learn just well enough to teach them if she has to become a governess, Portia can't use them to score points off her very effectively.)

What I'm having trouble figuring out is how that childhood dynamic should play out now that they're 18 and 19.


deborah grabien - Oct 10, 2004 8:10:42 pm PDT #7180 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

You've got her down - excellent.

As for the dynamic, I'm assuming you have no sisters? I have two, and a shitload of female cousins who all competed with each other; this dynamic sounds a bit different, in that my cousins, by and large, weren't snobs, but I can see Portia seeing no reason whatsoever for the original schoolroom dynamic - her as Queen and Bully, Lucy as Poor Relation, not worthy of Portia's castoffs - to ever change,l and being extremely counfounded and even more sharp-tongued when Lucy refuses to play that game the way she used to.


Susan W. - Oct 10, 2004 8:19:42 pm PDT #7181 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

No sisters, just brothers who were all teenagers when I was born, so I'm for all intents and purposes an only. Writing sibling dynamics is a combination of guesswork and paying attention to how other people talk about brothers and sisters.

So far my proudest moment as a writer was when I wrote a Lois & Clark futurefic back in 1995 or so where the heroine was the middle of Lois and Clark's three daughters. After I posted it, someone sent me a feedback email that said, "I'm a middle child, and I know you must be one, too, because you NAILED the dynamic."

Go me! I wrote what I didn't know well enough to fool someone who did!


deborah grabien - Oct 10, 2004 8:29:00 pm PDT #7182 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

Heh. I'm the youngest by a lightyear, so I watched the dynamic with a canny eye.

Heading offline for a bit, but before I do, I want to share: my Gallery page at Readerville has been updated (how do I love thee, karen Templer, let me count the incredible number of ways) with a nice teasing excerpt from Famous Flower.

The Prologue, in fact. Happy me.